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POLL: What you do here?

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  1. rdcrsn rdcrsn is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:22am)

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    Full Tilt Poker Game #8024126411: $100,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (59267018), Table 14 - 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:58:38 ET - 2008/09/11

    Seat 1: rcummings1 (51,671)
    Seat 2: Tecniq (29,915)
    Seat 3: TheTaker (39,032)
    Seat 4: therookieqq9 (17,205)
    Seat 5: WPThero (120,547)
    Seat 6: DIAMONDJIM555 (52,485)

    rcummings1 antes 150
    Tecniq antes 150
    TheTaker antes 150
    therookieqq9 antes 150
    WPThero antes 150
    DIAMONDJIM555 antes 150
    therookieqq9 posts the small blind of 600
    WPThero posts the big blind of 1,200
    The button is in seat #3

    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to therookieqq9 [Kh Ad]
    DIAMONDJIM555 raises to 5,100
    rcummings1 has 15 seconds left to act
    rcummings1 raises to 13,500
    Tecniq folds
    TheTaker folds
    therookieqq9

    [2:07:40 AM] Russell Carson says: no reads what do you do ?
    Interesting spot and we were jsut wondering what people do here, push or fold ?
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  2. frosty012 frosty012 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:26am) in reply to rdcrsn

    why would you ever fold
  3. tcstunna tcstunna is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:32am) in reply to frosty012

    Ak is ahead of his 3 bet range, considering this is a 6 max...im calling here hoping one of the other 2 iso's (i think if u shove here and the orginal raiser calls, the 3 bettor cant iso, so im flatting)
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  4. TheGfactor TheGfactor is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:32am) in reply to frosty012

    i cant ever concieve folding on this stack
  5. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:33am) in reply to tcstunna

     
    Originally Posted by tcstunna View Post

    Ak is ahead of his 3 bet range, considering this is a 6 max...im shipping it in here

    considering stack sizes too i shove.
     
  6. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:34am) in reply to rdcrsn

    Can't imagine doing anything but shipping.
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  7. adam_mc adam_mc is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:39am) in reply to shanetrain22

    I never fold here, am curious why this is even a consideration?
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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:41am) in reply to rdcrsn

     
    Originally Posted by gutshtallin View Post

    I definitely shove here, the 3 bettor still has room to fold.

    wat
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  9. comandr_cool comandr_cool is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:44am) in reply to rdcrsn

    i dont think u guys are noticing that the first raiser more then 4x raised. it makes this spot real sketchy with no reads. i usually puttin first raiser on ak with that raise and the 3 bet sizing looks so strong. just everything looks way to strong and sketchy here, im prob folding tbh. AKs would be a hard lay down though.
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  10. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:44am) in reply to rdcrsn

    Why doenst anyone ever have any reads? I thought I was the only one who didnt pay attention when I played.
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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:45am) in reply to brainwash

     
    Originally Posted by brainwash View Post

     
    Originally Posted by gutshtallin View Post

    I definitely shove here, the 3 bettor still has room to fold.

    wat

    Only getting 10-1 on the call... Pretty much instamuck :-)
  12. JBT449 JBT449 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:48am) in reply to comandr_cool

     
    Originally Posted by comandr_cool View Post

    i dont think u guys are noticing that the first raiser more then 4x raised. it makes this spot real sketchy with no reads. i usually puttin first raiser on ak with that raise and the 3 bet sizing looks so strong. just everything looks way to strong and sketchy here, im prob folding tbh. AKs would be a hard lay down though.

    this..

    I don't necessarily put first raiser on AK since this can be pocket pairs as well and lesser Aces, but I think in this hand the real person I would be worried about is the 3 better since they are clearly enticing a call from the original raiser's huge raise.

    edit: still voted shove though lol, easy for me to say the above but hard for me to fold this usually.
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  13. gutshtallin gutshtallin is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:49am) in reply to Fife19

     
    Originally Posted by Fife19 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by brainwash View Post

     
    Originally Posted by gutshtallin View Post

    I definitely shove here, the 3 bettor still has room to fold.

    wat

    Only getting 10-1 on the call... Pretty much instamuck :-)

    Wow far too high there...didnt see the correct stack at all...retract all statements..im goin to bed.
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  14. rdcrsn rdcrsn is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:50am) in reply to JBT449

    He just got moved to teh table

    R
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  15. gutshtallin gutshtallin is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:51am) in reply to JBT449

     
    Originally Posted by JBT449 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by comandr_cool View Post

    i dont think u guys are noticing that the first raiser more then 4x raised. it makes this spot real sketchy with no reads. i usually puttin first raiser on ak with that raise and the 3 bet sizing looks so strong. just everything looks way to strong and sketchy here, im prob folding tbh. AKs would be a hard lay down though.

    this

    I agree as well now that im correctly looking at the hand..that huge initial raise is very sketchy and for that bet to get mini raised...but shit with his stack i really cant see folding either...im ready for a race there.
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  16. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:55am) in reply to rdcrsn

    Looking at it more I guess it is a pretty close spot. As someone else said, the bet sizing is pretty ugly for us... plus the guy that opened is UTG and raisor is UTG+1. And while this is 6-max, you can't just ignore that. Blehhh... I just don't know if I'm good enough to fold here with <15BB lol.
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  17. adam_mc adam_mc is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 1:58am) in reply to shanetrain22

    I noticed the bet sizing and it still doesn't really concern me.

    I think we have a close spot with a bigger stack but I am stacking this 100% of the time with 17k.
  18. comandr_cool comandr_cool is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 2:00am) in reply to rdcrsn

    blah i didnt even notice how short hero is here, weird spot id prob go with it i guess.
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  19. adam_mc adam_mc is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 2:03am) in reply to comandr_cool

    The part that throws me for a loop is the 3 bet size. If he had AK/AQ and was 3 betting he would probably bet larger to commit. It really does kind of reek of strength but...

    That said, I'm in a tournament and.... I HAVE ACE KING!
  20. Bballmike222 Bballmike222 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 2:46am) in reply to rdcrsn

    utg bet looks like 9s or Ts maybe even jacks the reraiser looks like QQ-AA so even tho ur short stack a fold wouldnt be terrible. find a better spot
     
  21. Leet8s Leet8s is offline usausausausausa

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 2:52am) in reply to Bballmike222

    I have a read.

    "DIAMONDJIM555" = donk. Look at how he typed his name, in all caps. I definetely find that to be donkish (and im like 100% serious).

    Also, given hero's stack, I think this is an easy shove trying to accumulate chips.
     
  22. SN8WMAN SN8WMAN is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 2:54am) in reply to Bballmike222

    both are unknowns, so the way i see it is, bad players dont look into bet sizing, so im thinking the re raiser isnt acknowledging the over 4x raise and maybe is just getting in the habit of re raising all his 88+ and AJ+'s in this 6max game, i dont fold here
     
  23. SN8WMAN SN8WMAN is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 2:55am) in reply to Leet8s

     
    Originally Posted by Leet8s View Post

    I have a read.

    "DIAMONDJIM555" = donk. Look at how he typed his name, in all caps. I definetely find that to be donkish (and im like 100% serious).

    Also, given hero's stack, I think this is an easy shove trying to accumulate chips.

    be nice
     
  24. Leet8s Leet8s is offline usausausausausa

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 2:57am) in reply to SN8WMAN

    i'm ready to make nice
     
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