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  1. I know the preflop call here was not so great but this guy is a complete donk, he had been reraising my min bets the whole time we were on the same table.

    i just want to know about my post flop play

    Hand #9119405-90 at Thu7amA-001 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Powered by UltimateBet
    Started at 20/Oct/05 08:28:35

    BigPapaWes is at seat 0 with 4175.
    bigtox is at seat 1 with 1345.
    Lykan_Khan is at seat 2 with 11355.
    Simba is at seat 3 with 4925.
    mikjudee is at seat 5 with 5210.
    sherrvette is at seat 6 with 5725.
    TheSentinel is at seat 7 with 3145.
    biggy_c is at seat 8 with 4120.
    rakin_it_in is at seat 9 with 9905.
    The button is at seat 8.

    rakin_it_in posts the small blind of 75.
    BigPapaWes posts the big blind of 150.

    BigPapaWes: -- --
    bigtox: -- --
    Lykan_Khan: 8s 5s
    Simba: -- --
    mikjudee: -- --
    sherrvette: -- --
    TheSentinel: -- --
    biggy_c: -- --
    rakin_it_in: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    bigtox folds. Lykan_Khan raises to 300. Simba
    folds. mikjudee folds. sherrvette folds.
    TheSentinel folds. biggy_c folds. rakin_it_in
    folds. BigPapaWes re-raises to 975. Lykan_Khan
    calls.

    Flop (board: 8c Ad 5d):

    BigPapaWes bets 2025. Lykan_Khan raises to 8100.
    BigPapaWes goes all-in for 3200. Lykan_Khan is
    returned 4900 (uncalled).

    Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

    BigPapaWes shows Th Ts.
    Lykan_Khan shows 8s 5s.

    Turn (board: 8c Ad 5d Qc):

    (no action in this round)

    River (board: 8c Ad 5d Qc Qs):

    (no action in this round)

    Showdown:

    BigPapaWes has Th Ts Ad Qc Qs: two pair, queens and tens.
    Lykan_Khan has 8s 8c Ad Qc Qs: two pair, queens and eights.

    Hand #9119405-90 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    BigPapaWes wins 8425 with two pair, queens and tens.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    2 hands later check this out

    Hand #9119405-92 at Thu7amA-001 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Powered by UltimateBet
    Started at 20/Oct/05 08:30:10

    BigPapaWes is at seat 0 with 8350.
    bigtox is at seat 1 with 1195.
    Lykan_Khan is at seat 2 with 7180.
    Simba is at seat 3 with 4925.
    mikjudee is at seat 5 with 5210.
    sherrvette is at seat 6 with 5725.
    TheSentinel is at seat 7 with 3145.
    biggy_c is at seat 8 with 4345.
    rakin_it_in is at seat 9 with 9830.
    The button is at seat 0.

    bigtox posts the small blind of 75.
    Lykan_Khan posts the big blind of 150.

    BigPapaWes: -- --
    bigtox: -- --
    Lykan_Khan: 7h 4d
    Simba: -- --
    mikjudee: -- --
    sherrvette: -- --
    TheSentinel: -- --
    biggy_c: -- --
    rakin_it_in: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    Simba folds. mikjudee folds. sherrvette folds.
    TheSentinel calls. biggy_c folds. rakin_it_in
    folds. BigPapaWes calls. bigtox folds. Lykan_Khan
    checks.

    Flop (board: 7s 4h Qc):

    Lykan_Khan bets 525. TheSentinel calls. BigPapaWes
    folds.

    Turn (board: 7s 4h Qc 4s):

    Lykan_Khan bets 150. TheSentinel goes all-in for
    2470. Lykan_Khan calls.

    Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

    Lykan_Khan shows 7h 4d.
    TheSentinel shows Qd Td.

    River (board: 7s 4h Qc 4s 5s):

    (no action in this round)

    Showdown:

    Lykan_Khan has 7h 4d 7s 4h 4s: full house, fours full of sevens.
    TheSentinel has Qd Td 4h Qc 4s: two pair, queens and fours.

    Hand #9119405-92 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    Lykan_Khan wins 6515 with full house, fours full of sevens.

    Also, that guy who doubled on me was out about 5 hands later from being a retard.
  2. anyone who raises min in early position with crappy cards, then calls a 3x reraise, is a tool. you got very lucky to flop two pair, and I'm not sure calling BigPapaWes a donk is appropriate, when he did his best to get you to lay down your mighty 8 high, and couldn't make you.
  3. Yes I would say you are a tool in my book. You raise in early position with garbage and then to make it worst you call a reraise with it.
  4. agree with steve...he read you're min raises for what they are...WEAK...and you happen to get lucky...im not sure which is the donk...u have huge chip lead..Did you think you were bullying the table by making min raises and then calling huge raises?
  5. I was the big stack and like i said this fool had been calling everything and reraising every min bet. So what you are saying is, only tools raise early with suited low cards?? lol

    If i only raised with big cards in early position i think people might know what i have. Don't ya think?

    Besides, i risk the minimum to see the flop.. if i hit big i bust someone.. simple as that.
    Thread Starter
  6. "and like i said this fool had been calling everything and reraising every min bet. So what you are saying is, only tools raise early with suited low cards??"

    So, the proper counter-"strategery" to play a maniac is to make big raises in EP with suited low cards?
  7. I guess if you think the person at the table is playing bad, you take them out by playing bad... tryin to teach lessons? Also, 8/5 while still 2 pair on the flop, is horribly vulnerable. I assume the guy didn't think you had an ace, and probably figured low pp, in which case his play with 10/10 is not that bad. Also, he didn't need running cards, an ace would've done it for him too.
  8. I simply called one bet. I don't call every reraise, maybe you are misunderstanding the situation.. It isn't like i raise every single time UTG with suited low cards.. That's simply not the case.. I like to raise with cards i can hit a big flop with and bust someone.. I bet you would argue that you shouldn't raise early with small pairs too huh? You guys trip me out sometimes.. Everyone thinks they know everything in this game.. I won this tourney yesterday and just busted out in 5th a minute ago.. Results don't lie.. I've also won this tourney 3 times in the past 2 weeks. and had 2 2nd place finishes.. I like my strategies.. if you don't.. get your fucking donkey ass on the table with me.. :) screen name Lykan_Khan on ub

    I have $1900 in my account, i will play you for anything less than that.

    HEEEEEEEHAAAWWWW
    Thread Starter
  9. Wow are you being serious bro?
  10. our president comes from the state you live in.. That my friend says it all
    Thread Starter
  11. Not sure what the point of your post was.

    Clearly, you only want replies that (1) agree with your point of view and (2) tell you how great you are.

    Good Luck to you sir.
  12. I don't get it. You make a thread and title it ( Am i a tool or what?? ) you get a reply saying yes you are a tool and you try and defend your play instead of accepting the fact that you made a bad play. On this play you played like a tool, plain and simple. I think even if you were playing a maniac you could have waited for position then take his chips. Even tools catch cards so you have to pick your battles and get your chips in when you know your ahead...instead of gambling with him. JMHO

    Flash
  13. dude if you can't take criticism then don't fucking post your dumb ass posts...U make a post "AM i a tool or what?" and then post a hand history that makes you look like a complete donk...THen u get responses from people answering ur original question "AM i a tool or what?" and you go crazy.....$1900....Holy fing christ....dude u keep playing the way you do and you are going to stop getting lucky and flopping bottom two pair and having it hold up...then you will $1.90....Lose the attitude and and don't ask stupid questions...If u actually thought about what anyone said u might learn something about poker and about yourself...
  14. Yeah really,

    I understand the raising with hands that will be tough to put you on... and maybe your philosophy IS good - I personally don't min raise very often... but hey, maybe it is.

    But you asks if you were a tool, clearly opening yourself to criticism - and than lol you challenge anyone to any game after they say "yes, you are a tool"

    The hand may or may not have made you a tool but your responses to this thread sure did.

    And no, I would not like to play you heads up for $1000. You are good. I am not. Etc.
  15. He was quite the donk re-raising you with the best hand and then not folding to your re-raise on the flop. I mean, he only had like 80% of his money in the pot at that point--should have been an easy fold for him, he was only getting 7:1. What a donk!
  16. LOL. Sad thing is he doesn't care what he have to say. In his mind he played it perfectly.
  17. For one, i admitted the preflop call wasnt great.. I did have 600 in the pot and if he had AK i was only a 3-2 dog so i figured why not see a flop.. i was asking about my post flop play.. Not too many hands could beat me in that spot.. I know he was pot committed.. I wasnt saying he was an idiot because of the play THERE.. when he won that pot he had close to 10k in chips.. he was out 5 hands later from calling someone down with A6 pair of aces... actually he folded the river and showed after investing 6k. he then went on to go all in post flop with bottom pair. I gladly take criticism but coming from people who play lower stakes than me.. uh no.. i dont think so. I'm not trying to be the best or even that good, fuck this game.. its a way to make easy money.. and thats what i do.. Anything that keeps me from working a 9-5 i am all for it.

    the title of this thread was sarcastic if you havent figured it out.

    I know i'm not a tool, sometimes i make bad plays and hope to get lucky and bust people i dont respect.. thats what i do and what i will always do in tourneys.. if you like to push, im going to call you with any 2 until i hit that ONE big flop and break you. once again, i'm not saying im the best, because im not at all.. in fact i am probably not that good compared to others but i know what im doing, i have common sense and i understand the game.. thats all you need.
    Thread Starter
  18. Lower stakes than you? Probably but I have 3x the bankroll you have and most of the players that posted do also. Lets see where you are in a couple of months playing like that. I hope you are not relying on your poker winnings to support your family because that would be mistake.
  19. Ive been doing this for almost 3 years. lol
    Thread Starter
  20. khan, just want to point out that just because someone plays lower stakes then someone else, that doesn't make them any worse of a player

    F ignorance
  21. You been doing this for 3 years and only have a 2k br? Hmm.
  22. THere are so many different ways i could go off...but truth be told i don't care...keep sitting on your lazy ass while your wife supporst you so you can strum your guiuuitar while playing xbox, poker, and watching your kids.

    nh

    gg
  23. Let me clarify something.. All i asked was this: The post flop play i made.. was it bad or good?

    I had 11.5k chips.. I risked less than a 10th of my stack to try to hit a big flop and bust and agressive player. If i don't hit big, i simply fold.. You are judging my whole game on one play which in fact I THINK i did play correctly post flop and some would argue even pre flop.

    The title was a bad title, it should have just been was this PLAY a donkey play..

    You guys don't make plays against aggressive players? I'm impressed then..

    end of thread.
    Thread Starter
  24. Seems to me like you play like this all the time:

    Hand #9098250-76 at Wed7amA-Final (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Powered by UltimateBet
    Started at 19/Oct/05 10:10:15

    sergeabitbol is at seat 0 with 6170.
    capitown is at seat 1 with 26990.
    burnzone is at seat 2 with 15110.
    steel70383 is at seat 3 with 29730.
    Lykan_Khan is at seat 8 with 57000.
    The button is at seat 2.

    sergeabitbol posts ante (150).
    capitown posts ante (150).
    burnzone posts ante (150).
    steel70383 posts ante (150).
    Lykan_Khan posts ante (150).
    Lykan_Khan posts the small blind of 800.
    sergeabitbol posts the big blind of 1600.

    sergeabitbol: -- --
    capitown: -- --
    burnzone: -- --
    steel70383: -- --
    Lykan_Khan: 4d 8d

    Pre-flop:

    capitown folds. burnzone folds. steel70383 raises
    to 3200. Lykan_Khan re-raises to 11950.
    sergeabitbol folds. steel70383 calls.

    Flop (board: 9c 2h 8s):

    Lykan_Khan bets 3900. steel70383 calls.

    Turn (board: 9c 2h 8s 9h):

    Lykan_Khan bets 34050. steel70383 folds. Lykan_Khan
    is returned 34050 (uncalled).
  25. hmm lets see, once again i was the chip leader and it was against a reckless player who raises constantly or plays back against everyone.. so yeah you could say i do it a bit in those certain situations.

    why criticize my game so much.. sounds like you have something to prove huh?

    fucking donkey

    by the way

    I went on to win that tourney also.
    Thread Starter
  26. Yes post flop play was good, only hand that could have u is aa, and why all the bitching....everytime i see a respected player post something, he gets ripped apart from people that i have never heard of. If u guys think u are going to win tournys by going all in when u get aces and folding when u dont, u are crazy. When u have a big stack like Lykan had at this point in time, you see flops, because u can afford to fold after it doesnt hit u. On the other hand if it does your opponent is commited and u now have all his chips.

    Please stop looking at hands like ....u played 8 5 or whatever, LOOK AT THE SITUATION THAT A GIVEN HAND IS BEING PLAYED IN

    Brian
  27. Good lord, do you seriously need to ask if your play on the flop was good or bad? You hit two pair, how are you going to fold there when you are almost certain you have the best hand at that point? You made one terrible min raise and one mediocre call pre-flop, hit a very lucky flop, and then your two pair got counterfeited and you lost. But your move on the flop was clearly mandatory.

    EDIT: OK, once you've made the min raise, I think you have to call the extra 675 getting 2:1. So I was wrong to call it a mediocre call. It's a good call, but I don't like the min raise that put you in that position.
  28. THANK YOU.. you're now my new fucking hero!!!

    That is all i was trying to say and they picked me apart.
    Thread Starter
  29. I respect you J dogg.. Do you agree with risking as much as i did for implied odds against a reckless player?
    Thread Starter
  30. I just don't like the min raisie in early position with that hand. (Really, I just don't believe in the min raise pre-flop except in very specific circumstances.) The other big stack is in the small blind, no reason to give him odds and risk tangling with him. Given your chip stack, I don't mind calling the re-raise, since at that point you'll be heads up and have position and are getting decent odds. And like I said, on the flop you know you have to get him all in. But I wouldn't have been involved in the hand, not just because of your cards, but because of the combination of your cards, your position, the player in the small blind, and the fact that I just don't believe in the min raise preflop.

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