i think fold...hard to think of a hand you can beat. doubt hes double barreling 88-JJ or some kind of draw/pair+draw or even KQ oop esp with that kinda sizing with stacks so deep. flatting turn puts you in even a more diffucult spot when he goes for value on the river, and the trouble is most easily avoiding by folding here imo esp considering stacks are so deep. if play was 20x deep it would be harder to manage for sure, but dont think your hand plays too well against his range here. best case scenario i would think has to be QJdd or KQdd

lol @ fold

OMG at pokerccini being tight hes a nut bag, with that being said call turn and rarely fold river.

 

Originally Posted by rock3656

OMG at pokerccini being tight hes a nut bag

woops...my bad I guess...I haven't even played a pot with him that i can remember that he did anything nutty and I have pretty tight HUD stats on him

 

Originally Posted by leftygrove

This is the type of board that I feel like good players should double barrel a ton because it's hard for you to have a super strong hand. You're probably not going to show up with 2-3 or q-2 here... the only strong hands that flat preflop and continue like this are 22, 33, maybe AQ. And you c/r those a lot probably.

You almost always have hands like 77, QJ that find it tough to continue in this spot.

At the same time, what the fuck do I know. Maybe he's checking back his ace-highs a ton regardless, because of the gutshot, and now his range is super strong that he's betting. Maybe he's playing 20 tables and isn't playing super aggro at these levels. I'd call but I spew like a menace

Basically this. Presumabely pokercinni knows you're a reg but may or may not know anything about your game. Top pair is like the top of your range on this flop and he can even discount AQ somewhat as some people would 3 bet there. He should be double barrelling, if not triple barrelling most of his range and expecting a ton of folds. With the bigger bet sizing Im more likely call as I don't think he's doing this with his bigger hands as there's not a lot you can call barrrels with. I call the turn with the intention of puke/calling most rivers.

 

Originally Posted by rivverkiller

Basically this. Presumabely pokercinni knows you're a reg but may or may not know anything about your game. Top pair is like the top of your range on this flop and he can even discount AQ somewhat as some people would 3 bet there. He should be double barrelling, if not triple barrelling most of his range and expecting a ton of folds. With the bigger bet sizing Im more likely call as I don't think he's doing this with his bigger hands as there's not a lot you can call barrrels with. I call the turn with the intention of puke/calling most rivers.

rivvvvvvvverkiller.......i love you and have no problem with you but ahhh can i use you as an example????

A reraise on the Flop IS NOT A 3-bet......sooo many people do this and it tilts me soooo bad.

Im sure you know this and just mistakenly put it in your post......im sorry for being a dick, just feel so many people do it in their posts, it needs to be point out and eventually it will weed out

 

Originally Posted by Appst08

rivvvvvvvverkiller.......i love you and have no problem with you but ahhh can i use you as an example????

A reraise on the Flop IS NOT A 3-bet......sooo many people do this and it tilts me soooo bad.

Im sure you know this and just mistakenly put it in your post......im sorry for being a dick, just feel so many people do it in their posts, it needs to be point out and eventually it will weed out

think he meant pre, mang

 

Originally Posted by rivverkiller

Basically this. Presumabely pokercinni knows you're a reg but may or may not know anything about your game. Top pair is like the top of your range on this flop and he can even discount AQ somewhat as some people would 3 bet there. He should be double barrelling, if not triple barrelling most of his range and expecting a ton of folds. With the bigger bet sizing Im more likely call as I don't think he's doing this with his bigger hands as there's not a lot you can call barrrels with. I call the turn with the intention of puke/calling most rivers.

I think I agree with this if we its a little bit later in the tournament. Keep in mind it's the first or second level so for me, it was hard to fathom he is really doing this with worse. I understand sizing makes it really difficult for me to call, but is he really going to be doing this in a hand at 15/30 or 20/40 button v bb in the 50c?

 

Originally Posted by The mini Jew

I think I agree with this if we its a little bit later in the tournament. Keep in mind it's the first or second level so for me, it was hard to fathom he is really doing this with worse. I understand sizing makes it really difficult for me to call, but is he really going to be doing this in a hand at 15/30 or 20/40 button v bb in the 50c?

^^^^ this

calling pre against someone like pokerccini is VERY -ev if you are playing so lol weak bad. there are a ton of hands u beat here.

3 bet pre

I agree this is a board he should be barreling on and also I think his sizing definitely includes his air/draws ( not saying it doesn't include hands that beat you. )

I understand what you're saying about it being 15/30 and that does make me feel kinda meh about it, but not enough to fold the turn.

 

Originally Posted by Kiba52

calling pre against someone like pokerccini is VERY -ev if you are playing so lol weak bad. there are a ton of hands u beat here.

Keep in mind, I thought that he was tight and this is where my problem is. I know hes good, competent winning player etc..

I understand he might make this sizing to get me to fold out my drawing hands. And I agree with you, but in this tournament this early I felt like i'd rather keep a stack then be wrong given its the 50c before the addon.

 

Originally Posted by SirCrafty

meh hes prob flatting alot of hands with both players so deep

thats why we make a 3bet for value, this thread is tilting me so hard.

 

Originally Posted by The Lab Rat

Was just joking with the 3 bet pre. 2nd post is the serious one

3bet pre is waaaay better if you want to fold on the turn