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Pot control or build the pot?

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  1. Petoria Petoria is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 7:04pm)

    My thinking is that when the turn pairs the 9 I feel like the only hands that I'm beating and getting value from are flush draws.

    I'm willing to listen to thoughts about my actions on every street.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #27505348042: $3,500 KO Guarantee (213556703), Table 254 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:43:03 ET - 2011/01/22
    Seat 1: SmakAss (11,850)
    Seat 2: altagracia22 (6,685)
    Seat 3: artos222 (4,270)
    Seat 4: garbo0711 (5,602)
    Seat 5: maverickk1 (4,495)
    Seat 6: Petoria (5,995)
    Seat 7: LuckyDomination (6,545)
    Seat 8: unicornchicken (1,950)
    Seat 9: josepiq (6,575)
    SmakAss antes 25
    altagracia22 antes 25
    artos222 antes 25
    garbo0711 antes 25
    maverickk1 antes 25
    Petoria antes 25
    LuckyDomination antes 25
    unicornchicken antes 25
    josepiq antes 25
    maverickk1 posts the small blind of 150
    Petoria posts the big blind of 300
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Petoria [Ac 2s]
    LuckyDomination folds
    unicornchicken folds
    josepiq folds
    SmakAss folds
    altagracia22 folds
    artos222 folds
    garbo0711 calls 300
    maverickk1 calls 150
    Petoria checks
    *** FLOP *** [9d Ad 4h]
    maverickk1 checks
    Petoria bets 600
    garbo0711 folds
    maverickk1 calls 600
    *** TURN *** [9d Ad 4h] [9s]
    maverickk1 checks
    Petoria checks
    *** RIVER *** [9d Ad 4h 9s] [5c]
    maverickk1 checks
    Petoria checks
  2. runmedownUtrash runmedownUtrash is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 10:03pm) in reply to Petoria

    I like the bet on the flop but I wouldve bet less like around 300 so you get your info and dont end up w/a huge pot in the end where you commit yourself or your opponent. You have position on the villain so thats where I wouldve bet 600 on the turn. If youre really that scared after all that you can check the river after he checks it to you. It seems to me as if he couldve easily pushed you off this hand at any time with your check/check. So the answer to your question is both...bulid the pot and control it !!
  3. sobizzle21 sobizzle21 is offline Scammer

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 10:17pm) in reply to runmedownUtrash

    id prob play it the same way....like 50/50 on betting or checking flop but all u got is top pair no kicker so not really a good time to build pot just play it cautiously like u did here i think is the best way to go for this hand
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  4. ImAmOnStEr ImAmOnStEr is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 10:24pm) in reply to sobizzle21

    seems fine. lead flop is fine n then just get to showdown cheap, as played if he bets river id probly call
  5. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2011 (1/23/2011 1:35am) in reply to ImAmOnStEr

    I'm with everyone on the flop and turn.

    I valuebet the river for about 675, just because this is a $10+1 and people will call with literally any holding and you beat a whole lot of hands. You may not be a winner in this specific hand but it has to be a winning play.

    At a higher buy-in I check behind as well, though.

    EDIT: Oh and jamming pre- is probably a solid play as well considering villains' stacks. I mix it in there if I detect the button limper is chronic and is not doing it to be "tricky".
    Edited By: s.l. halper Jan 23rd, 2011 at 01:36 AM
     
  6. ManchVegasPwn ManchVegasPwn is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2011 (1/23/2011 5:36am) in reply to s.l. halper

    i jam pre here like 90% of the time, if not more... as played, i think u played it fine.
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  7. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2011 (1/23/2011 6:04am) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

    gotta bet river
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  8. cream420 cream420 is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2011 (1/23/2011 6:12am) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

     
    Originally Posted by ManchVegasPwn View Post

    i jam pre here like 90% of the time, if not more... as played, i think u played it fine.

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  9. ManchVegasPwn ManchVegasPwn is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2011 (1/23/2011 6:40am) in reply to cream420

    i dont like betting river bc theres very few hands that will call that we have beat. 45 or 46 might hero call but its most likely villain had missed diamonds, or a weak A-X hand that we are losing to A6-A8 and the remote chance he has AT... which would kind of make sense for a c/c and check the 9 turn and chk river to induce bluffs out of us, so I don't think there is too much value in betting esp since stacks are rather shallow as is.
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  10. luckierno7 luckierno7 is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2011 (1/23/2011 10:52am) in reply to s.l. halper

     
    Originally Posted by s.l. halper View Post

    I'm with everyone on the flop and turn.

    I valuebet the river for about 675, just because this is a $10+1 and people will call with literally any holding and you beat a whole lot of hands. You may not be a winner in this specific hand but it has to be a winning play.

    At a higher buy-in I check behind as well, though.

    EDIT: Oh and jamming pre- is probably a solid play as well considering villains' stacks. I mix it in there if I detect the button limper is chronic and is not doing it to be "tricky".

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  11. Petoria Petoria is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2011 (1/24/2011 1:24am) in reply to luckierno7

    Thanks for all the good responses guys, I know its not the typical hand with large pots that we usually discuss, but it was still interesting.

    20 BB's probably is a good shove there. I've always been a bit hesitant about those thin value bets on the river, but that's something that I need to incorporate into my game more.

    My opponent had a flush draw, so I held.
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