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  1. sourbluff sourbluff is offline

    Wilmington, NC
    United States

    Posts: 35
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    Jul 28th, 2008 (7/28/2008 7:37pm)

    These have became my favorite type of tournament and at least initially I am fairly happy with my results. But is always room for improvement.

    Something I am trying to understand is the raise and even reraise with A2xx type hand. Of course I play these hands ... and if in position & multi-way I might put in a small pot builder raise preflop. But get all my chips in play, especially fairly deep no.

    When I first started playing PLO8 tournaments I was really struggling to cash or run deep. One of the things that I altered and greatly increased my results was number of preflop raises. In fact I rarely raise unless I can get majority in with AAxx hand with suite A and wheel card.

    So thoughts/opinions from those of you who are much better players than I ... is raising and even reraising preflop with A2xx type hand positive expected value play? Why is it such a common play?
    Is my tendency not to raise a lot preflop a leak in my game?

    Example of what I am talking about from recent satellite on FTP

    Full Tilt Poker Game #7415043242: Satellite to FTOPS Event #2 (56277300), Table 5 - 80/160 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 18:54:58 ET - 2008/07/28
    Seat 2: maddogrudy (2,407)
    Seat 3: sourbluff (4,265)
    Seat 4: wizfromoz (3,224)
    Seat 5: Los Rockos (8,041)
    Seat 8: Krispex (10,876)
    Seat 9: bowser125 (5,832)
    maddogrudy posts the small blind of 80
    sourbluff posts the big blind of 160
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to sourbluff [4s Ad As 8d]
    wizfromoz folds
    Los Rockos folds
    Krispex folds
    bowser125 folds
    maddogrudy has 15 seconds left to act
    maddogrudy raises to 320
    sourbluff raises to 960
    maddogrudy has 15 seconds left to act
    maddogrudy raises to 2,407, and is all in
    sourbluff: raise
    sourbluff calls 1,447
    maddogrudy shows [3s Kd Ts Ac]
    sourbluff shows [4s Ad As 8d]
    *** FLOP *** [Ks 8h Qd]
    *** TURN *** [Ks 8h Qd] [2c]
    *** RIVER *** [Ks 8h Qd 2c] [Kh]
    maddogrudy shows three of a kind, Kings, for high
    sourbluff shows two pair, Aces and Kings, for high
    maddogrudy wins the pot (4,814) with three of a kind, Kings
    No low hand qualified
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 4,814 | Rake 0
    Board: [Ks 8h Qd 2c Kh]
    Seat 2: maddogrudy (small blind) showed [3s Kd Ts Ac] and won (4,814) with HI: three of a kind, Kings
    Seat 3: sourbluff (big blind) showed [4s Ad As 8d] and lost with HI: two pair, Aces and Kings
    Seat 4: wizfromoz didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Los Rockos didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: Krispex didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: bowser125 (button) didn't bet (folded)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #7415101264: Satellite to FTOPS Event #2 (56277300), Table 5 - 80/160 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 18:59:28 ET - 2008/07/28
    Seat 2: maddogrudy (4,414)
    Seat 3: sourbluff (1,898)
    Seat 4: wizfromoz (4,133)
    Seat 5: Los Rockos (6,852)
    Seat 8: Krispex (11,036)
    Seat 9: bowser125 (6,312)
    wizfromoz posts the small blind of 80
    Los Rockos posts the big blind of 160
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to sourbluff [Ac Ah Ks Jh]
    Krispex folds
    bowser125 raises to 360
    maddogrudy folds
    sourbluff raises to 1,320
    wizfromoz folds
    Los Rockos folds
    bowser125 raises to 2,280
    sourbluff calls 578, and is all in
    bowser125 shows [2c As 9h 6c]
    sourbluff shows [Ac Ah Ks Jh]
    Uncalled bet of 382 returned to bowser125
    *** FLOP *** [Kh 2s Qd]
    *** TURN *** [Kh 2s Qd] [9d]
    *** RIVER *** [Kh 2s Qd 9d] [4s]
    bowser125 shows two pair, Nines and Twos, for high
    sourbluff shows a pair of Aces, for high
    bowser125 wins the pot (4,036) with two pair, Nines and Twos
    sourbluff stands up
    No low hand qualified
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 4,036 | Rake 0
    Board: [Kh 2s Qd 9d 4s]
    Seat 2: maddogrudy didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: sourbluff (button) showed [Ac Ah Ks Jh] and lost with HI: a pair of Aces
    Seat 4: wizfromoz (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Los Rockos (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Krispex didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: bowser125 showed [2c As 9h 6c] and won (4,036) with HI: two pair, Nines and Twos
  2. Ozzie Ozzie is offline

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    Jul 28th, 2008 (7/28/2008 7:48pm) in reply to sourbluff

    i raise in with tons of garbage.

    it's fun and gets me action. dont listen to the nits who will call you a donk.

    either raise a wide range or not at all... otherwise you just betray your hand.
  3. Kajun Kajun is offline

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    Jul 28th, 2008 (7/28/2008 8:20pm) in reply to sourbluff

    I've done well in plo8 MTT's and the people I see raising alot with A2,A3,A4 type of hands with nothing else, I tend to make notes against them. Later in tourneys when they raise and the board comes something like KKJ.. I can steal pots off them with little resistance when it counts...

    If I am going to raise I like hands that have a A and 2 low cards, preferably suited... Or something like A2 pocket pair... I also love hands like 2344, 3345, JJT9 etc...

    but then again.. everytime I bust out of a plo8 tourney lately, I run the hand thru the p5's calculator and im usually like 1% to "lose both".. amazing how that 1% hits so fucking often...

    Kajun $endz
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