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PP late in tourney WWYD to shove....

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  1. 8ntmuch 8ntmuch is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 1:22am)

    No real reads, since I've been moved to the table this player hasn't been very active.

    pokerstars Game #26298701796: Tournament #149950216, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1500/3000) - 2009/03/23 23:17:48 MT [2009/03/24 1:17:48 ET]
    Table '149950216 125' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: KalePaul (44126 in chips)
    Seat 2: 8ntmuch (85217 in chips)
    Seat 4: reatton (155704 in chips)
    Seat 5: thirsty_eh (38297 in chips)
    Seat 6: BingoLoko (57750 in chips)
    Seat 7: motainc (40457 in chips)
    Seat 8: magnum339 (67959 in chips)
    Seat 9: JacksX2 (51561 in chips)
    KalePaul: posts the ante 375
    8ntmuch: posts the ante 375
    reatton: posts the ante 375
    thirsty_eh: posts the ante 375
    BingoLoko: posts the ante 375
    motainc: posts the ante 375
    magnum339: posts the ante 375
    JacksX2: posts the ante 375
    motainc: posts small blind 1500
    magnum339: posts big blind 3000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to 8ntmuch [7h 7c]
    JacksX2: folds
    KalePaul: folds
    8ntmuch: raises 4400 to 7400
    reatton: folds
    smokink1 is connected
    thirsty_eh: folds
    BingoLoko: folds
    motainc: raises 32682 to 40082 and is all-in
    magnum339: folds
    8ntmuch: ??????????
  2. anticure anticure is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 2:03am) in reply to 8ntmuch

    meh...prolly call
     
  3. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 3:18am) in reply to anticure

    i call
     
  4. 8ntmuch 8ntmuch is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 10:53am) in reply to Deoxyribo

    Anyone else?? Probably simple for most and in my mind was pretty simple choice, but this could be a leak in my game. And if you say call, then why? Not sure I'm getting the proper odds to call, or am I?
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  5. rhap rhap is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 12:02pm) in reply to 8ntmuch

    He seems fairly strong. You are raising from UTG + 2 so unless you have been very aggressive I wouldn't mind folding this. I don't see him pushing with a smaller pp so best case scenario you are racing. Very borderline, but I would lean more towards a fold.
  6. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 12:10pm) in reply to 8ntmuch

    Ur getting like 1.7:1. It really helps to know something about this player, as he is reshoving 13bbs. It really could be a super wide range.

    However even against a fairly nitish player you not in horrible shape figuring his range could look something like AJs+, KQs/o, 55+. I don't have PS but I'm figuring that even if his range is like this its a fairly ez call and it could potentially be much wider.

    I think folding here is a pretty big mistake.
  7. DUBZX DUBZX is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 12:10pm) in reply to 8ntmuch

    i think before u open you have to decide if u can call thirsty or motainc's all in, they have ~13-14bbs.

    If ur answer is no then probably do not open with 77 there

    As played i think ur gettting 1.6 to 1 to call. I am guessin his range is wide enough to call getting that
  8. TheGarbageMan TheGarbageMan is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 12:16pm) in reply to 8ntmuch

    i'd re-raise to establish your hand.
    • if he calls then you can re-evaluate on the flop.
    • if he re-re-raises you then his range is TJs+ QQ+
      • if you re-re-re-raise him for information
        • if he calls he has you beat
        • if he folds you win
        • if he re-re-re-re-raises you then fold
  9. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 12:16pm) in reply to DUBZX

     
    Originally Posted by DUBZX View Post

    i think before u open you have to decide if u can call thirsty or motainc's all in, they have ~13-14bbs.

    If ur answer is no then probably do not open with 77 there

    This is really great advice. We need to be thinking about stack sizes of those behind us all the time. In t'ment poker stack size is everything.
  10. 8ntmuch 8ntmuch is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 12:26pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

     
    Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder View Post

     
    Originally Posted by DUBZX View Post

    i think before u open you have to decide if u can call thirsty or motainc's all in, they have ~13-14bbs.

    If ur answer is no then probably do not open with 77 there

    This is really great advice. We need to be thinking about stack sizes of those behind us all the time. In t'ment poker stack size is everything.

    I agree, great advise! And to be honest, I never even thought about them being 12ish BB stacks and the thought of calling if I'm raising... I need to apply this thought process into my game....
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  11. 8ntmuch 8ntmuch is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 12:31pm) in reply to 8ntmuch

    The end result was I folded the hand. I have a hard time late in MTTs calling off almost half my stack with small PP's. I guess thats a leak I'll need to fix...

    for what its worth, 2 hands later he open shoved with AQ and I knocked him out with QQ. So in the end I got his chips anyway...
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  12. anticure anticure is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 1:42pm) in reply to 8ntmuch

     
    Originally Posted by 8ntmuch View Post

    The end result was I folded the hand. I have a hard time late in MTTs calling off almost half my stack with small PP's. I guess thats a leak I'll need to fix...

    for what its worth, 2 hands later he open shoved with AQ and I knocked him out with QQ. So in the end I got his chips anyway...

    you have to think of the times when you get 1.7-1 on a coinflip which in turn gives you a chance to win the tourney. Dont fear busting, fear being a short stack and having to win everytime you go all in and get called
     
  13. 8ntmuch 8ntmuch is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2009 (3/24/2009 1:49pm) in reply to anticure

    Yeah... 77 is one of those 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' hands for me. 88+ I probably call though. Guess I just need to open up my range a weee bit.
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