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  1. rebelfd rebelfd is online now

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:06am)

    Villain has been limping a ton, over 104 hands 23/0/1. My read is that if he had any high pair I was getting re-raised. I'll post results later, but just interested to see how others play the flop. To me I think this is a good flop, and I want any flush draws to have to pay.

    pokerstars Game #40030853378: Tournament #285011195, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/02/20 0:51:27 ET
    Table '285011195 7' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: uva98 (6315 in chips)
    Seat 2: rancochile (5453 in chips)
    Seat 3: SlickPulla7 (5924 in chips)
    Seat 4: salop777 (3930 in chips)
    Seat 5: malory56 (5898 in chips)
    Seat 6: rebelfd (5380 in chips)
    rancochile: posts small blind 100
    SlickPulla7: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rebelfd [Qh Qc]
    salop777: folds
    malory56: calls 200
    rebelfd: raises 800 to 1000
    uva98: folds
    rancochile: folds
    SlickPulla7: folds
    malory56: calls 800
    *** FLOP *** [Js 7c 3s]
    malory56: checks
    rebelfd: ????
  2. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 12:18am) in reply to rebelfd

    Against a calling station, I'm betting about the size of the pot, and am more than happy to call any shove. AJ & KJ are a solid part of his check-raising range, because he's putting you on AK.
  3. rebelfd rebelfd is online now

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 2:12am) in reply to grapsfan

    Graps, thanks for the response. Here is how the hand played out? Any issues with the way I played it?

    pokerstars Game #40030853378: Tournament #285011195, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/02/20 0:51:27 ET
    Table '285011195 7' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: uva98 (6315 in chips)
    Seat 2: rancochile (5453 in chips)
    Seat 3: SlickPulla7 (5924 in chips)
    Seat 4: salop777 (3930 in chips)
    Seat 5: malory56 (5898 in chips)
    Seat 6: rebelfd (5380 in chips)
    rancochile: posts small blind 100
    SlickPulla7: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rebelfd [Qh Qc]
    salop777: folds
    malory56: calls 200
    rebelfd: raises 800 to 1000
    uva98: folds
    rancochile: folds
    SlickPulla7: folds
    malory56: calls 800
    *** FLOP *** [Js 7c 3s]
    malory56: checks
    rebelfd: bets 4380 and is all-in
    malory56: calls 4380
    *** TURN *** [Js 7c 3s] [Kc]
    *** RIVER *** [Js 7c 3s Kc] [6s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    malory56: shows [Jd Qs] (a pair of Jacks)
    rebelfd: shows [Qh Qc] (a pair of Queens)
    rebelfd collected 11060 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 11060 | Rake 0
    Board [Js 7c 3s Kc 6s]
    Seat 1: uva98 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: rancochile (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: SlickPulla7 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: salop777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: malory56 showed [Jd Qs] and lost with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 6: rebelfd showed [Qh Qc] and won (11060) with a pair of Queens
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  4. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 9:15am) in reply to rebelfd

    Against someone who is that big of a calling station, an open-shove IS a value bet. I probably wouldn't shove with QQ there, because I try to keep bet sizing somewhat consistent. But I wouldn't tell you this was wrong, obviously, because it worked out great for you.
  5. Coach_Bombay33 Coach_Bombay33 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 3:12pm) in reply to grapsfan

     If-you-think-shoving-will-get-him-to-call-then-go-for-it./Looks-like-it-worked-out-fine-this-time./Like-above-said-usually-I-would-make-a-pot-bet.
  6. jaydeez40oz jaydeez40oz is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2010 (2/20/2010 8:26pm) in reply to Coach_Bombay33

    I'd 3/4 - pot size bet it.He'll check raise me and I'll snap call.

    Same results, better table image IMO.

    I like the cbet of 3/4 or pot size because you're setting the rest of the players up at the table. The next time you cbet with air, they'll remember this QQ. UNLESS you plan on pushing over the top again and expect everyone to perceive it as over pair. to the board.

    I like to keep things consistent. People can't come up with reads on my betting patterns this way. And like I said....different bet sizing, still the wrong odds to chase a draw, same result.
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    Feb 21st, 2010 (2/21/2010 6:57pm) in reply to jaydeez40oz

    Haven't see the result. Expect a 3/4 pot bet and re-assess on turn. I wouldn't fold to a check-raise, no chance in a 6 handed game.
     
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    Feb 23rd, 2010 (2/23/2010 10:19am) in reply to KARNA1983

    I think you did fine with it...b/c if you bet 2/3 to 3/4 pot which is about 1700 or if you bet the pot which is 2200 if I am not mistaken. You are already committing yourself to the pot b/c you had 4500(roughly) remaining and your opponent may see that...Shoving on flop seems the best bet to me
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    Feb 23rd, 2010 (2/23/2010 11:37am) in reply to BBird40

    I'd bet 1500-1800 on the flop, if its non spade and not an ace, I'd push.

    Calling stations scare the crap out of me. They don't know what they have, you can't read them. I couldn't fold the hand - if I'm ahead make them pay. If they fold the pots big enough for me.If they hit so be it.
     
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