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Pre Flop spot I'm never sure about

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  1. latifahs latifahs is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 1:46am)

    pokerstars Game #32740605669: Tournament #193236934, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/09/12 1:03:40 ET
    Table '193236934 59' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Drazhen (7166 in chips)
    Seat 2: pizon1976 (6216 in chips)
    Seat 3: Old _Dog58 (3400 in chips)
    Seat 4: latifahs (7907 in chips)
    Seat 5: superfunks (10195 in chips)
    Seat 6: espbch20 (4390 in chips)
    Seat 7: forfan (14738 in chips)
    Seat 8: Cohete009 (8031 in chips)
    Seat 9: GARIFUNA1 (11474 in chips)
    Drazhen: posts the ante 25
    pizon1976: posts the ante 25
    Old _Dog58: posts the ante 25
    latifahs: posts the ante 25
    superfunks: posts the ante 25
    espbch20: posts the ante 25
    forfan: posts the ante 25
    Cohete009: posts the ante 25
    GARIFUNA1: posts the ante 25
    Old _Dog58: posts small blind 150
    latifahs: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to latifahs [Jd Jh]
    superfunks: folds
    espbch20: folds
    forfan: folds
    Cohete009: raises 475 to 775
    GARIFUNA1: folds
    Drazhen: folds
    pizon1976: folds
    Old _Dog58: folds
    latifahs: ??

    Villian a competent fairly tight player. Do I fold? Flat oop and re-evaluate? Set mine? 3 bet fold? (I'm never calling a 4 bet/shove in this spot) I always hate this spot...
  2. allin4flush allin4flush is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 1:54am) in reply to latifahs

    I would flat with the idea of set mining.

    And then get it all in on a 257 rainbow flop and get busted by his QQ.

    True story.
  3. nuttedup nuttedup is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 1:56am) in reply to latifahs

    3-bet/call
  4. racer racer is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 2:14am) in reply to nuttedup

    3-bet to induce fold, then fold yourself if your not sure about the 4-bet.If you get flatted, then use your OoP c-bet to take the pot down, if not, 4-bet the 3-bet post flop...

    oh yeah, villian is tight looking at the bet sizing, should get a lot more info after the 3-bet here...then it becomes ez game
  5. mtstackin88 mtstackin88 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 2:30am) in reply to racer

    you have JJ and 26BB, your gettin ur money in on this hand. Folding is out of question, flatting doesnt work because your not deep enough to set-mine. plus, ur way ahead of his opening range, so u wanna get money in, not flat and punch urself on the head when it flops AKQ.

    3bet folding is by far by far the worst out of all options, never ever do with this stack and this hand in this position or rly ever for that matter. So that leaves shoving or 3bet/call with intention of jammin any flop. Im sure both are profitable, but i prefer to 3bet and jam the flop because it looks stronger, and alot of weak players in low limits like this will flat 3bets with intention of folding flops they dont connect with. so 3bet to 2550, perfect sizing so when he flats u can jam ~5400 into 5700
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  6. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 2:43am) in reply to latifahs

     
    Originally Posted by latifahs View Post


    (I'm never calling a 4 bet/shove in this spot)

    watttttttttttttttttttt
     
  7. ndahlhoff10 ndahlhoff10 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 2:47am) in reply to mtstackin88

     
    Originally Posted by mtstackin88 View Post


    you have JJ and 26BB, your gettin ur money in on this hand. Folding is out of question, flatting doesnt work because your not deep enough to set-mine. plus, ur way ahead of his opening range, so u wanna get money in, not flat and punch urself on the head when it flops AKQ.

    3bet folding is by far by far the worst out of all options, never ever do with this stack and this hand in this position or rly ever for that matter. So that leaves shoving or 3bet/call with intention of jammin any flop. Im sure both are profitable, but i prefer to 3bet and jam the flop because it looks stronger, and alot of weak players in low limits like this will flat 3bets with intention of folding flops they dont connect with. so 3bet to 2550, perfect sizing so when he flats u can jam ~5400 into 5700

    I'm pretty sure this is the answer.
     
  8. nyy486 nyy486 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 3:06am) in reply to ndahlhoff10

    25-30bb....how is this anything but a shove?
     
  9. MoGreene_BJ MoGreene_BJ is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 7:58am) in reply to ndahlhoff10

    - flatting = calling ??
    - jamming the flop = ??

    - In what case would you fold this JJ ?
    - if you 3Bet, he calls and come A 10 7 rainbow, what would you do ?
    - if you 3Bet, he shoves, would you call all in ?
  10. thearthurdog thearthurdog is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 8:28am) in reply to nyy486

     
    Originally Posted by nyy486 View Post

    25-30bb....how is this anything but a shove?

    Yep, agree, they all going in the middle.
  11. latifahs latifahs is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 9:21am) in reply to Appst08

     
    Originally Posted by Appst08 View Post

    watttttttttttttttttttt

    In this particular situation against this player I'm 100000% sure my hand is crushed if he 4 bets..I obv call in different situations I probably should have made that more clear.
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  12. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 11:02am) in reply to latifahs

    seems like a super standard shove imo
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  13. mtstackin88 mtstackin88 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 12:42pm) in reply to latifahs

     
    Originally Posted by latifahs View Post

    In this particular situation against this player I'm 100000% sure my hand is crushed if he 4 bets..I obv call in different situations I probably should have made that more clear.

    omg ur never 3bet folding get that play out of ur arsenal. shove or 3bet with intention of insta-snapcalling 4bet jam or jamming any flop. u should probly just shove so u dont get confused and want to fold when he shoves
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  14. mtstackin88 mtstackin88 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 12:50pm) in reply to MoGreene_BJ

     
    Originally Posted by MoGreene_BJ View Post

    - flatting = calling ??
    - jamming the flop = ??

    - In what case would you fold this JJ ?
    - if you 3Bet, he calls and come A 10 7 rainbow, what would you do ?
    - if you 3Bet, he shoves, would you call all in ?

    flatting=calling.
    jamming the flop=pushing all in on the flop

    -never folding jj from the sb to a single raise, but the issue was whether we raise or flat, which would be appropriate with deeper stacks.

    -if u take the 3bet line, ur shoving all flops, def A 10 7 as well

    -couldnt call any quicker
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  15. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 12:50pm) in reply to latifahs

    If he's competant, you are killing his range, so folding is insane. You can't 3bet/fold because you have odds to call a 4bet, or flat and try to play out of position.

    Pushing is the only reasonable play.
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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 1:12pm) in reply to Jennifear

    jamzilla
     
  17. JDsmith9 JDsmith9 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2009 (9/12/2009 1:31pm) in reply to latifahs

    prolly jam but i dont think flatting preflop to underrep your hand against a range that you probably destroy would be bad
     
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