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Preflop early stages w/QQ

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  1. Sdanby Sdanby is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2009 (3/21/2009 12:36pm)

    Ok, this is within the first 10 hands of the 11 deepstack so no reads on others. Ive been really trying to slow down my play in the early stages which is part of the reasoning behind this fold and i still feel it was the right thing to do even after seeing the results.

    just wandering what you think? would you have done the same, or are you jamming here? or are you 3-bet/calling his original raise or folding to a 4-bet if he reraises?

    Any thoughts appreciated, thanks

    <pre>pokerstars Game #26200795768: Tournament #147643898, $10+$1 Hold'em
    No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/03/21 12:18:37 ET
    Table '147643898 70' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: chulai31 (1990 in chips)
    Seat 2: glee697 (5205 in chips)
    Seat 3: bandler (10440 in chips)
    Seat 4: scipio111 (5070 in chips)
    Seat 5: BoekieAlmelo (5030 in chips)
    Seat 6: AliQOD (6525 in chips)
    Seat 7: Darkyy (4815 in chips)
    Seat 8: Amb1t1oN (5655 in chips)
    Seat 9: Sdanby (5410 in chips)
    Sdanby: posts small blind 10
    chulai31: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Sdanby [Qd Qh]
    glee697: folds
    bandler: folds
    scipio111: calls 20
    BoekieAlmelo: folds
    AliQOD: folds
    Darkyy: raises 80 to 100
    Amb1t1oN: folds
    Sdanby: calls 90
    chulai31: raises 1890 to 1990 and is all-in
    scipio111: folds
    Darkyy: calls 1890
    Sdanby: folds
    *** FLOP *** [9s 2c 5h]
    *** TURN *** [9s 2c 5h] [Tc]
    *** RIVER *** [9s 2c 5h Tc] [Js]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    chulai31: shows [Ad Qc] (high card Ace)
    Darkyy: shows [Kc As] (high card Ace - King kicker)
    Darkyy collected 4100 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 4100 | Rake 0
    Board [9s 2c 5h Tc Js]
    Seat 1: chulai31 (big blind) showed [Ad Qc] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 2: glee697 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: bandler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: scipio111 folded before Flop
    Seat 5: BoekieAlmelo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: AliQOD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Darkyy showed [Kc As] and won (4100) with high card Ace
    Seat 8: Amb1t1oN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Sdanby (small blind) folded before Flop</pre>
  2. bob2bob bob2bob is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2009 (3/21/2009 12:50pm) in reply to Sdanby

    if its within the first 10 hands and dude has lost half his stack im calling/overshoving after the flatter, it may be AA from flatter but if you are coolered so be it, get your double up early imo he knows the guy is a clown as well so he should be calling lighter. get them in
     
  3. racer racer is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2009 (3/21/2009 1:01pm) in reply to Sdanby

    my play would have to 3 bet pre to about 300 or so, and if i get 4-bet, im callin short stack, but im not committing all my stack on this., because its early and im deepstacked. Im thinking the shover in this situation is already cut in half, therefore either tilting, or at best A,Q, but your way ahead here, and yes im gunning for that shortstack with QQ here. Obviously the AK guy makes things interesting, but again if you 3-bet, i really doubt AK pushes here after the re shove from short stack. If he does shove, im like WTF and tank fold, if he flats you, your allin after flop, and congrats to him if hes set mining with KK, AA.
    Good question here, and good luck man.
  4. racer racer is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2009 (3/21/2009 1:08pm) in reply to racer

    i misread the AK guy calling SS shove before you. In that case, im still getting them in here for the simple fact the SS range is way behind your QQ. Its a tough spot here, but you definately need to 3-bet pre here for info.
  5. Stupor_Mundi Stupor_Mundi is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2009 (3/21/2009 8:48pm) in reply to Sdanby

    I'm calling here at the very least and I might reshove in some spots for a few reasons:

    a. The overshove here is pretty weak, so while it signifies a hand, at these limits, that hand can be pretty marginal (read as: crushed by QQ)

    b. The call is certainly something to be worried about, it's a much more limited range than the shover and either means he has a good hand or he has a monster. That being said, you have QQ and with his range being likely TT+, AK (AQ maybe), you still have him well covered.

    Play QQ stronger next time and you'll find this out before almost half your stack has to go in: reshove > call/reassess flop > fold
  6. Sdanby Sdanby is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2009 (3/21/2009 9:10pm) in reply to Sdanby

    yeh i am regretting not 3-betting his initial raise, and as for the shover i was calling him 100% and had no concerns over his holdings. But i really think original raisers range is really tight here, i was think QQ+ Ak also, and im obv not playing well against tht. i guess playing more aggressive myself is prob the best line here though yeh
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