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  1. Kochan Kochan is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:23pm)

    <SPAN lang=EN>
    eat 1: boloban25 (1415 in chips)

    Seat 2: puntnko (2301 in chips)

    Seat 3: mman_status (3020 in chips)

    Seat 4: viirusss (9600 in chips)

    Seat 5: THEDUTCH4141 (5875 in chips)

    Seat 6: bdybldngpkr (2710 in chips)

    Seat 7: Bersma (4475 in chips)

    Seat 8: HUGE NUTZ 44 (3536 in chips)

    Seat 9: tellulah1965 (3389 in chips)

    Bersma: posts small blind 50

    HUGE NUTZ 44: posts big blind 100

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to puntnko [Jd Js]

    tellulah1965: folds

    boloban25: folds

    puntnko: raises 200 to 300

    mman_status: raises 2720 to 3020 and is all-in

    viirusss: folds

    THEDUTCH4141: folds

    bdybldngpkr: folds
    <SPAN lang=EN>
    Bersma: folds

    HUGE NUTZ 44: folds

    puntnko: ????

    </SPAN></SPAN>
     
  2. RGallaway RGallaway is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:26pm) in reply to Kochan

    Fucking Jacks......enough said
  3. Dr.GHouse Dr.GHouse is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:27pm) in reply to Kochan

    I'd say fold...but tough to say. You're most likely ahead. But most often it's going to be a race, with your JJ > AQ/AK, maybe he shoves with AJ and lower...

    But, its all if you want to race, but look for better spots.
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:27pm) in reply to RGallaway

    Jam and close eyes 4tw.
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:28pm) in reply to RGallaway

    range is prolly jj+ ak.
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:32pm) in reply to Dr.GHouse

    Thats AK like 95% of the time.
     
  7. sobizzle21 sobizzle21 is offline Scammer

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:35pm) in reply to Leet8s

    my guess is that will almost always be tt-qq, ak....dont think kk or aa is gonna raise that big
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  8. LOL@urROI LOL@urROI is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:38pm) in reply to Kochan

    w/ 23bbs and vs an unk i call. I can almost take AA if not KK out of his range 99 and TT are there imo aswell as of AK, AQ and possibly AJs - range widens if he's terrible or had like 11k the last hand.
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:41pm) in reply to sobizzle21

    Jacks man ...it's a tough decision I would say that your initial raise was a bit too small. But with the re-raise that the guy put in i'd say he was going to do that even if you bet 5 or 6 hundred preflop....I think i would have made it 450 and as far as the re-raise it's either going to be a disgusted call or a disgusted fold.
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:42pm) in reply to sobizzle21

     
    Originally Posted by sobizzle21 View Post

    my guess is that will almost always be tt-qq, ak....dont think kk or aa is gonna raise that big

    Probably was queens good call, would be really sick if the guy had the other 2 jacks
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:43pm) in reply to LOL@urROI

    I'm calling, like others said, I think you can discount, if not eliminate, AA and KK from his range
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:45pm) in reply to LOL@urROI

    vs this vlillian this is a snap call imo... AQ is certainly in his range and 88 is also.... if you ahve been active then more hands like AJ and Kq are in his range as well
    also AA and KK are def in his range but it's still a hifive moment
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:50pm) in reply to gray31

     
    Originally Posted by gray31 View Post

    I'm calling, like others said, I think you can discount, if not eliminate, AA and KK from his range

    AA and KK are definitely in his range
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:53pm) in reply to LOL@urROI

     
    Originally Posted by LOL@urROI View Post

    w/ 23bbs and vs an unk i call. I can almost take AA if not KK out of his range 99 and TT are there imo aswell as of AK, AQ and possibly AJs - range widens if he's terrible or had like 11k the last hand.

    Lol at calling mman status an unknown.. you obviously dont play higher stakes tourneys.. please dont give advice when you dont play the tourneys in question.
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:54pm) in reply to taypaur

     
    Originally Posted by taypaur View Post

     
    Originally Posted by gray31 View Post

    I'm calling, like others said, I think you can discount, if not eliminate, AA and KK from his range

    AA and KK are definitely in his range

    Yeah, it's in the range, but it's far less likely he's doing that with KK/AA then anything else in there.
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:57pm) in reply to Dr.GHouse

     
    Originally Posted by Dr.GHouse View Post

     
    Originally Posted by taypaur View Post

     
    Originally Posted by gray31 View Post

    I'm calling, like others said, I think you can discount, if not eliminate, AA and KK from his range

    AA and KK are definitely in his range

    Yeah, it's in the range, but it's far less likely he's doing that with KK/AA then anything else in there.

    ummmmm no it's not imo
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 10:58pm) in reply to DoubleS00ted

     
    Originally Posted by DoubleS00ted View Post

     
    Originally Posted by LOL@urROI View Post

    w/ 23bbs and vs an unk i call. I can almost take AA if not KK out of his range 99 and TT are there imo aswell as of AK, AQ and possibly AJs - range widens if he's terrible or had like 11k the last hand.

    Lol at calling mman status an unknown.. you obviously dont play higher stakes tourneys.. please dont give advice when you dont play the tourneys in question.

    meant to add that i dont play these stakes/tourneys so prolly not qualified to give teh advice -_- but my wordings a lil off english isnt 100% i mean that vs an unk im calling here as in w/o reads. But sry I know the whole rule abt not commenting on mtts you dont play lil drunk aka ideas above my station.
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 11:02pm) in reply to LOL@urROI

    ok i take that back, they are certainly in his range, but I do think they can be discounted a bit. Even so, giving a range like this which I would say is definitely on the tight side, you are getting just about the right price to call.

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 56.771% 55.40% 01.37% 233355456 5780460.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }
    Hand 1: 43.229% 41.86% 01.37% 176310408 5780460.00 { JJ }
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 11:06pm) in reply to DoubleS00ted

     
    Originally Posted by DoubleS00ted View Post

     
    Originally Posted by LOL@urROI View Post

    w/ 23bbs and vs an unk i call. I can almost take AA if not KK out of his range 99 and TT are there imo aswell as of AK, AQ and possibly AJs - range widens if he's terrible or had like 11k the last hand.

    Lol at calling mman status an unknown.. you obviously dont play higher stakes tourneys.. please dont give advice when you dont play the tourneys in question.

    That was mean :(
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 11:10pm) in reply to gray31

     
    Originally Posted by gray31 View Post

    ok i take that back, they are certainly in his range, but I do think they can be discounted a bit. Even so, giving a range like this which I would say is definitely on the tight side, you are getting just about the right price to call.

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 56.771% 55.40% 01.37% 233355456 5780460.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }
    Hand 1: 43.229% 41.86% 01.37% 176310408 5780460.00 { JJ }

    this range is absurd tight... i think we can def add AQ and 99 prob 88 and possibly
    AJ and KQ if you OP has been an active player
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  21. LOL@urROI LOL@urROI is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 11:11pm) in reply to RGallaway

     
    Originally Posted by RGallaway View Post

     
    Originally Posted by DoubleS00ted View Post

     
    Originally Posted by LOL@urROI View Post

    w/ 23bbs and vs an unk i call. I can almost take AA if not KK out of his range 99 and TT are there imo aswell as of AK, AQ and possibly AJs - range widens if he's terrible or had like 11k the last hand.

    Lol at calling mman status an unknown.. you obviously dont play higher stakes tourneys.. please dont give advice when you dont play the tourneys in question.

    That was mean :(

    lol not rly, it's 100% true and something i've always respected when posting/not posting. I don't play bigger buy-ins so my advice in the hands from bigger buy-ins wouldnt be good advice due to me not having all the correct info/levels/history and therefore could be counter productive to the poster and just lurkers or w/e as it isnt neccersarily correct.
    No offence taken at all
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 11:11pm) in reply to RGallaway

    with 5 players behind with 30bbs himself he surely doesnt do this with 8s/9s
    and I question if he would do this with 10s...but i'm not sure?
    Basically the answer is if he does this with 10s...if he does then its a call and if he doesn't then its a fold
     
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 11:22pm) in reply to RGallaway

     
    Originally Posted by RGallaway View Post

    Jacks man ...it's a tough decision I would say that your initial raise was a bit too small. But with the re-raise that the guy put in i'd say he was going to do that even if you bet 5 or 6 hundred preflop....I think i would have made it 450 and as far as the re-raise it's either going to be a disgusted call or a disgusted fold.

    4.5x eh
     
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 11:33pm) in reply to Kenny Rap

     
    Originally Posted by Kenny Rap View Post

     
    Originally Posted by RGallaway View Post

    Jacks man ...it's a tough decision I would say that your initial raise was a bit too small. But with the re-raise that the guy put in i'd say he was going to do that even if you bet 5 or 6 hundred preflop....I think i would have made it 450 and as far as the re-raise it's either going to be a disgusted call or a disgusted fold.

    4.5x eh

    oh yea, at least. Maybe like 500-600 so then u know if he jams you can fold for sure.
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 11:49pm) in reply to icufish

     
    Originally Posted by icufish View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Dr.GHouse View Post

     
    Originally Posted by taypaur View Post

     
    Originally Posted by gray31 View Post


    I'm calling, like others said, I think you can discount, if not eliminate, AA and KK from his range

    AA and KK are definitely in his range

    Yeah, it's in the range, but it's far less likely he's doing that with KK/AA then anything else in there.

    ummmmm no it's not imo

    agree. I think if anything his range is weighted toward AA and KK
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 11:58pm) in reply to taypaur

    you started the hand with only 2300? surely you have to call here
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    Feb 10th, 2009 (2/10/2009 12:07am) in reply to Kochan

    I have def been seeing more of these bets with KK and AA. I think you're prob racing vs AK or AQ but he def can show up with KK there many times. Tough spot but I prob get it in.
     
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    Feb 10th, 2009 (2/10/2009 12:46am) in reply to SEABEAST

    thing is he can never flat you because you only have 2300...

    you really think he's mucking TT to your open?
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    Feb 10th, 2009 (2/10/2009 1:09am) in reply to Kochan

    honestly just wow @ this thread

    more accurate is like 99-AA AQ/AK

    surprised u even post this but pretty easy to assume u ran into AA or KK

    ez call imo
     
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    Feb 10th, 2009 (2/10/2009 1:10am) in reply to Kochan

    If there was ever an example of a need for a high-stakes forum... this would be it.
     
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