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pretty early in $8 rebuy, what's your play here?

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  1. tmacckk tmacckk is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 11:42am)

    pokerstars Game #9146814199: Tournament #45992015, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/03/29 - 11:34:53 (ET)
    Table '45992015 63' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: sidFishous (2641 in chips)
    Seat 2: Rosinviolin (11427 in chips)
    Seat 3: Harbonator (8096 in chips)
    Seat 4: xbelieverx (8900 in chips)
    Seat 5: BetzeOne (12800 in chips)
    Seat 6: tmacckk2002 (11403 in chips)
    Seat 7: maxmax74722 (11535 in chips)
    Seat 8: bangkokblues (17350 in chips)
    Seat 9: Glav15 (17535 in chips)
    Glav15: posts small blind 100
    sidFishous: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tmacckk2002 [7c 7s]
    Rosinviolin: folds
    Harbonator: folds
    xbelieverx: raises 400 to 600
    BetzeOne: folds
    tmacckk2002: raises 1400 to 2000
    maxmax74722: folds
    bangkokblues: folds
    Glav15: folds
    sidFishous: raises 641 to 2641 and is all-in
    xbelieverx: raises 6259 to 8900 and is all-in

    original raiser had only played a couple pots since the rebuy period ended and those pots didn't go to showdown.
  2. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 11:44am) in reply to tmacckk

    fold
  3. greggo430 greggo430 is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 11:47am) in reply to tmacckk

    here is the key that makes this an easy fold: "since the rebuy period ended" i'd probably fold during the rebuy period also, but then it would be a hard decision
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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 11:50am) in reply to greggo430

    1) Just call preflop 2) Fold
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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 11:55am) in reply to ecu3270

    so if you know that xbelieverx has a,k are you still folding?
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  6. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 11:57am) in reply to tmacckk

    but you don't know that, his range could certainly have AK in it, but to say you know someone has a specific hand is rediculous.
  7. tmacckk tmacckk is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 11:57am) in reply to jtown1010

    i wasn't saying i did know anything, i'm asking if you knew he had a,k are you calling off your chips on a coinflip?
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  8. tmacckk tmacckk is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 11:58am) in reply to greggo430

    lol @ folding any pocket pair during the rebuy period.
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  9. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 12:04pm) in reply to tmacckk

    Sure I would, but what is that telling you? Sure if you know you are a fav not flipping would be bad with all that dead money in the pot, but how often do you know you're flipping? even when you're positive they have something, and you end up being right, you still didn't know they had it, you guessed right, but you should be guessing at a range rather than 1 specific hand.
  10. tmacckk tmacckk is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 12:06pm) in reply to tmacckk

    so my original read was that the shortstack that pushed all in had a range of any pp and a-10+. i was definitely calling his all in when xbelieverx pushed all in. if i felt xbelieverx had a,k or a,q i definitely would have made this call thinking that the two of them would be sharing cards giving them less outs. this is how it played out.

    pokerstars Game #9146814199: Tournament #45992015, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/03/29 - 11:34:53 (ET)
    Table '45992015 63' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: sidFishous (2641 in chips)
    Seat 2: Rosinviolin (11427 in chips)
    Seat 3: Harbonator (8096 in chips)
    Seat 4: xbelieverx (8900 in chips)
    Seat 5: BetzeOne (12800 in chips)
    Seat 6: tmacckk2002 (11403 in chips)
    Seat 7: maxmax74722 (11535 in chips)
    Seat 8: bangkokblues (17350 in chips)
    Seat 9: Glav15 (17535 in chips)
    Glav15: posts small blind 100
    sidFishous: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tmacckk2002 [7c 7s]
    Rosinviolin: folds
    Harbonator: folds
    xbelieverx: raises 400 to 600
    BetzeOne: folds
    tmacckk2002: raises 1400 to 2000
    maxmax74722: folds
    bangkokblues: folds
    Glav15: folds
    sidFishous: raises 641 to 2641 and is all-in
    xbelieverx: raises 6259 to 8900 and is all-in
    tmacckk2002: folds
    *** FLOP *** [9c 3c 3d]
    *** TURN *** [9c 3c 3d] [Th]
    *** RIVER *** [9c 3c 3d Th] [4d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    sidFishous: shows [As Kc] (a pair of Threes)
    xbelieverx: shows [Qd Ad] (a pair of Threes - lower kicker)
    sidFishous collected 7382 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 7382 | Rake 0
    Board [9c 3c 3d Th 4d]
    Seat 1: sidFishous (big blind) showed [As Kc] and won (7382) with a pair of Threes
    Seat 2: Rosinviolin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Harbonator folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: xbelieverx showed [Qd Ad] and lost with a pair of Threes
    Seat 5: BetzeOne folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: tmacckk2002 folded before Flop
    Seat 7: maxmax74722 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: bangkokblues (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Glav15 (small blind) folded before Flop
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  11. CFH101 CFH101 is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 12:06pm) in reply to tmacckk

    i really hate this rr pre-flop .... best line was to call and hope to flop big ..... wasting 2,000 chips ( if ur intent is to fold to a re-raise isint a good move )
    If you were planning to call a push ... then its not so bad, but its too early to hopefully flip w/ 77.
    IMO
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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 12:10pm) in reply to CFH101

    then about 5 hands later Lee Jones was nice enough to dish up this beauty.

    pokerstars Game #9146900060: Tournament #45992015, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/03/29 - 11:43:20 (ET)
    Table '45992015 63' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: sidFishous (3548 in chips)
    Seat 2: Rosinviolin (9977 in chips)
    Seat 3: Harbonator (10596 in chips)
    Seat 4: xbelieverx (11143 in chips)
    Seat 5: BetzeOne (10150 in chips)
    Seat 6: tmacckk2002 (10078 in chips)
    Seat 7: maxmax74722 (11085 in chips)
    Seat 8: bangkokblues (18025 in chips)
    Seat 9: Glav15 (17085 in chips)
    sidFishous: posts the ante 25
    Rosinviolin: posts the ante 25
    Harbonator: posts the ante 25
    xbelieverx: posts the ante 25
    BetzeOne: posts the ante 25
    tmacckk2002: posts the ante 25
    maxmax74722: posts the ante 25
    bangkokblues: posts the ante 25
    Glav15: posts the ante 25
    Glav15: posts small blind 100
    sidFishous: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tmacckk2002 [Kd Qc]
    Rosinviolin: calls 200
    Harbonator: folds
    xbelieverx: folds
    BetzeOne: calls 200
    tmacckk2002: calls 200
    maxmax74722: folds
    bangkokblues: folds
    Glav15: calls 100
    sidFishous: checks
    *** FLOP *** [2c Qs Ks]
    Glav15: checks
    sidFishous: checks
    Rosinviolin: bets 400
    BetzeOne: folds
    tmacckk2002: raises 800 to 1200
    Glav15: folds
    sidFishous: folds
    Rosinviolin: raises 2200 to 3400
    tmacckk2002: raises 6453 to 9853 and is all-in
    Rosinviolin: calls 6352 and is all-in
    *** TURN *** [2c Qs Ks] [Jd]
    *** RIVER *** [2c Qs Ks Jd] [Ts]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Rosinviolin: shows [As 8s] (a flush, Ace high)
    tmacckk2002: shows [Kd Qc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
    Rosinviolin collected 20729 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 20729 | Rake 0
    Board [2c Qs Ks Jd Ts]
    Seat 1: sidFishous (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: Rosinviolin showed [As 8s] and won (20729) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 3: Harbonator folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: xbelieverx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: BetzeOne folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: tmacckk2002 showed [Kd Qc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
    Seat 7: maxmax74722 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: bangkokblues (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Glav15 (small blind) folded on the Flop
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  13. FiGMan FiGMan is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 12:12pm) in reply to tmacckk

    Lee Jones resigned
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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 1:17pm) in reply to tmacckk

    i really dont think theres much of an option here

    77 is not very strong

    even if ur up against some garbage like KJ

    save ur chips and outplay him later instead of settling for at best a flip
     
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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 1:18pm) in reply to tmacckk

    lee jones is gone :(
     
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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 1:19pm) in reply to tmacckk

    then about 5 hands later Lee Jones was nice enough to dish up this beauty.

    You realize that when you got all your chips in, it was basically a coin flip, right?
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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 1:34pm) in reply to aj_law

    lol @ basically a coinflip. that's what i love about these online mtt's. people like aj law see two suited cards in their hand and they're like SWEET, i've got a flush draw. then when those other two of their suit hit the flop they're like DOUBLE SWEET, i'm basically a coin flip against any hand. you may want to check your math again aj but last time i checked a 65-35 is not basically a coinflip. most coins i flip tend to land on either side about 50-50.
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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 1:52pm) in reply to tmacckk

    Um, no. For the record, I hate the fact that people are so willing to put their stacks at risk early on a draw. I've said so numerous times on this board.

    And, I stand corrected about the percentages because I mis-read your original post. I thought you had top pair, not top two pair. That's why my original calculations had it as a flip; any ace, any spade.

    Still, the fact remains that nearly 4 times out of 10, you'll get drawn out on. So, it's not like he caught a two outer or runner/runner or anything. You were far from dominating him. And, this isn't even factoring in the tidbit that he already committed about 40% of his stack to the pot when you shoved. He was pretty committed at that point. IMO, no way was he going to lay that down. As the favorite, you shouldn't want him to lay it down.

    Personally, I would never put that much at risk on a draw unless I'm the aggressor. But, that's just me.

    If you "love" these online MTTs so much and you play in them a lot, this kind of move should not be all that surprising to you.
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    Mar 29th, 2007 (3/29/2007 2:38pm) in reply to 24shack24

    original raiser had only played a couple pots since the rebuy period ended

    so you repop with 77?
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