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  1. AceWPT AceWPT is offline

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    Jul 26th, 2007 (7/26/2007 2:54pm)

    Probably a dumb play, shouldnt have committed that many chips with bottom two. Stay away from this hand completely? More suggestions?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3066324799: $10 + $1 Tournament (23633811), Table 27 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:47:28 ET - 2007/07/26

    Seat 1: juliemj83 (2,115)

    Seat 2: mghanson24 (1,060)

    Seat 3: AceWPT (4,135)

    Seat 4: iluvhermione (1,870)

    Seat 5: nickvesh (870)

    Seat 6: ZeroKool74 (1,275)

    AceWPT posts the small blind of 20

    iluvhermione posts the big blind of 40

    The button is in seat #2

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to AceWPT [7s 3s]

    nickvesh folds

    ZeroKool74 folds

    juliemj83 calls 40

    mghanson24 folds

    AceWPT calls 20

    iluvhermione checks

    *** FLOP *** [Kd 3d 7d]

    AceWPT bets 120

    iluvhermione calls 120

    juliemj83 folds

    *** TURN *** [Kd 3d 7d] [4c]

    AceWPT checks

    iluvhermione bets 150

    AceWPT raises to 3,975, and is all in

    iluvhermione calls 1,560, and is all in

    AceWPT shows [7s 3s]

    iluvhermione shows [4d Jd]

    Uncalled bet of 2,265 returned to AceWPT

    *** RIVER *** [Kd 3d 7d 4c] [Qh]

    AceWPT shows two pair, Sevens and Threes

    iluvhermione shows a flush, King high

    iluvhermione wins the pot (3,780) with a flush, King high

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 3,780 | Rake 0

    Board: [Kd 3d 7d 4c Qh]

    Seat 1: juliemj83 folded on the Flop

    Seat 2: mghanson24 (button) didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 3: AceWPT (small blind) showed [7s 3s] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Threes

    Seat 4: iluvhermione (big blind) showed [4d Jd] and won (3,780) with a flush, King high

    Seat 5: nickvesh didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 6: ZeroKool74 didn't bet (folded)

    Thanks for the comments,
    Garrett
     
  2. PiKappRaider PiKappRaider is offline

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    Jul 26th, 2007 (7/26/2007 3:09pm) in reply to AceWPT

    No sign of aggression pre flop, but still very weak holdings. I like the lead out, most people try to check raise right there. Perfect check raise on turn, gave him a chance to bluff at the pot, or lead out with a king and be committed. Who knows what the donk was doing calling, hopefully you had a good read on him before hand. Very well played in my opinion
     
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    Jul 26th, 2007 (7/26/2007 4:59pm) in reply to PiKappRaider

    ????????????????????? very well played ??????????????????

    He got all his chips in the pot without once being ahead in the hand and you're telling him it was well played? Playing hands out of the SB is -EV, I avoid making that 1/2 blind call under most circumstances without an above average holding. Your flop bet is fine, but after his call you're in no position at all to be check/raising, and ESPECIALLY not check/raising allin. His flop call SHOULDA slowed you down, it is possible to flop a flush you know? but lets say you put him on the flush draw. I bet out about 3/4 the pot, and when he raises I instamuck..... if he calls here too I check/fold any river card that's not a 3 or a 7.... GL

    -BH
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    Jul 26th, 2007 (7/26/2007 6:32pm) in reply to BguitarH

    Maybe i shouldnt have posted what he had, quite easy to say i should have folded because he flopped a flush when you know what his cards are. I def agree with small blind play not being profitable. I believe the odds of flopping the flush are 118:1, how can you check fold two pair blind vs blind? I was check raising the turn to get him in with a draw but he happened to have flopped it. Any other opinions besides the obvious, well he had a flush, you should have check folded the flop.

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    Jul 26th, 2007 (7/26/2007 7:03pm) in reply to AceWPT

    I'm not saying you played it wrong because I see that he had the flush, I'm saying you played it wrong because you could have easily deduced that he had the flush by betting it correctly.... bet the flop, he calls. Bet the turn, he raises, he's not raising here with a lone J, therefore he's not raising here with anything that 73 can beat.... so you fold...
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    Jul 27th, 2007 (7/27/2007 11:24pm) in reply to BguitarH

    Ya whoops I'm an idiot... didn't see the suits LoL! I wouldn't consider instamucking though without some thought in it. I agree now it was overplayed, but it's hard to lay down 2 pair anytime especially with not much aggression from this guy. K rag with a diamond plays that the same way... wouldn't consider the flush, just the draw. Obviously it was the wrong play, but even considering that now I think I would have tried to get all my money in on turn as well... guess that's -EV for ya too tho huh
     
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    Jul 28th, 2007 (7/28/2007 1:34am) in reply to PiKappRaider

    Ya youre absolutely right.. thats probably why i risk so many chips with 37,, ive seen pikapp play lol
     
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