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profitable to fold KK money bubble?

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  1. Matedog_88 Matedog_88 is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2008 (6/23/2008 4:22pm)

    I was wondering if it is profitable to fold KK here, I raise KK big stack flat calls and the guy behind insta shoves and small stack insta calls. What would you do here, and it was the money bubble so their ranges should be very tight!

    pokerstars Game #18333792591: Tournament #92877996, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/06/23 - 15:52:43 (ET)
    Table '92877996 56' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: m0n3ym4k3r89 (10707 in chips)
    Seat 2: Romeplayer (12646 in chips)
    Seat 3: RedHeat66 (7453 in chips)
    Seat 4: KKmurdock_hd (11120 in chips)
    Seat 5: matedogswe (17192 in chips)
    Seat 6: peddy14 (22728 in chips)
    Seat 7: CornholioUK (15445 in chips)
    Seat 8: SEANSHADES (12181 in chips)
    Seat 9: NovaJune (33127 in chips)
    m0n3ym4k3r89: posts the ante 75
    Romeplayer: posts the ante 75
    RedHeat66: posts the ante 75
    KKmurdock_hd: posts the ante 75
    matedogswe: posts the ante 75
    peddy14: posts the ante 75
    CornholioUK: posts the ante 75
    SEANSHADES: posts the ante 75
    NovaJune: posts the ante 75
    Romeplayer: posts small blind 400
    RedHeat66: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to matedogswe [Ks Kd]
    KKmurdock_hd: folds
    matedogswe: raises 1300 to 2100
    peddy14: folds
    CornholioUK: folds
    SEANSHADES: folds
    NovaJune: calls 2100
    m0n3ym4k3r89: raises 8532 to 10632 and is all-in
    Romeplayer: folds
    RedHeat66: calls 6578 and is all-in
    matedogswe: raises 6485 to 17117 and is all-in
    NovaJune: folds
    Uncalled bet (6485) returned to matedogswe
    RedHeat66 said, "ah crap... bubble boy again :)"
  2. tcstunna tcstunna is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2008 (6/23/2008 4:24pm) in reply to Matedog_88

    No, i never fold here. I never fold KK ever.
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  3. neophrak neophrak is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2008 (6/23/2008 4:26pm) in reply to Matedog_88

    Screw the money bubble, play to win...
     
  4. darkknyt darkknyt is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2008 (6/23/2008 4:26pm) in reply to Matedog_88

    Play to win

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  5. nextuniverse nextuniverse is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2008 (6/23/2008 5:14pm) in reply to Matedog_88

    quit poker if you actually lay down KK here.
     
  6. 8ntmuch 8ntmuch is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2008 (6/23/2008 5:19pm) in reply to nextuniverse

    Bubble or not, you need chips to make a run at the Final Table. I know I've busted with AA, KK many of times in this same position but its either break even money if you barely cash, make a run at the FT for big money or lose and try again. If you have a tight bankroll and need break even to keep playing then you are playing way out of your bankroll and need to learn better management. If the buy in is no big deal then shove/call this all day long. +EV...
  7. Matedog_88 Matedog_88 is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2008 (6/23/2008 5:19pm) in reply to nextuniverse

    no i didnt fold KK there, I shoved pre here are the results

    pokerstars Game #18333792591: Tournament #92877996, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/06/23 - 15:52:43 (ET)
    Table '92877996 56' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: m0n3ym4k3r89 (10707 in chips)
    Seat 2: Romeplayer (12646 in chips)
    Seat 3: RedHeat66 (7453 in chips)
    Seat 4: KKmurdock_hd (11120 in chips)
    Seat 5: matedogswe (17192 in chips)
    Seat 6: peddy14 (22728 in chips)
    Seat 7: CornholioUK (15445 in chips)
    Seat 8: SEANSHADES (12181 in chips)
    Seat 9: NovaJune (33127 in chips)
    m0n3ym4k3r89: posts the ante 75
    Romeplayer: posts the ante 75
    RedHeat66: posts the ante 75
    KKmurdock_hd: posts the ante 75
    matedogswe: posts the ante 75
    peddy14: posts the ante 75
    CornholioUK: posts the ante 75
    SEANSHADES: posts the ante 75
    NovaJune: posts the ante 75
    Romeplayer: posts small blind 400
    RedHeat66: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to matedogswe [Ks Kd]
    KKmurdock_hd: folds
    matedogswe: raises 1300 to 2100
    peddy14: folds
    CornholioUK: folds
    SEANSHADES: folds
    NovaJune: calls 2100
    m0n3ym4k3r89: raises 8532 to 10632 and is all-in
    Romeplayer: folds
    RedHeat66: calls 6578 and is all-in
    matedogswe: raises 6485 to 17117 and is all-in
    NovaJune: folds
    Uncalled bet (6485) returned to matedogswe
    RedHeat66 said, "ah crap... bubble boy again :)"
    *** FLOP *** [9d 5s 7h]
    matedogswe said, "god damn it"
    *** TURN *** [9d 5s 7h] [3d]
    *** RIVER *** [9d 5s 7h 3d] [2d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    matedogswe: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings)
    m0n3ym4k3r89: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)
    m0n3ym4k3r89 collected 6508 from side pot
    RedHeat66: shows [Qc Qd] (a pair of Queens)
    matedogswe said, "i knew some of you had AA"
    m0n3ym4k3r89 collected 25309 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 31817 Main pot 25309. Side pot 6508. | Rake 0
    Board [9d 5s 7h 3d 2d]
    Seat 1: m0n3ym4k3r89 (button) showed [Ah Ac] and won (31817) with a pair of Aces
    Seat 2: Romeplayer (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: RedHeat66 (big blind) showed [Qc Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
    Seat 4: KKmurdock_hd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: matedogswe showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
    Seat 6: peddy14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: CornholioUK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: SEANSHADES folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: NovaJune folded before Flop
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  8. SpauldingSmails SpauldingSmails is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2008 (6/23/2008 5:27pm) in reply to Matedog_88

    if there was a chance i'd fold KK, this set up is about as telling as you can get...

    its a cooler, better to take the beat than to ingrain bad habits that will cost you exponentially more in ev.

    i wouldn't consider the money bubble other than perhaps using it to help define opponents ranges.

    gl
  9. sqorpien sqorpien is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2008 (6/23/2008 5:41pm) in reply to Matedog_88

    never ever fold here, ty
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