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Poker wasn't intended to be played in a turbo format. Shovefest aka impatience. Won't happen.
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That's the most ignorant and ridiculous statement I've ever read. Poker was intended to be played in any and every format that it can possibly be played. You are just one of the many who don't understand how to win at them, and deem those who do win to be impatient and complete luckboxes. But in fact a good turbo player is very patient, picking profitable spots as well as they can. I agree with OP, cosign.
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Owned. Couldn't have said it better myself and cosign.
Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
That's the most ignorant and ridiculous statement I've ever read. Poker was intended to be played in any and every format that it can possibly be played. You are just one of the many who don't understand how to win at them, and deem those who do win to be impatient and complete luckboxes. But in fact a good turbo player is very patient, picking profitable spots as well as they can. I agree with OP, cosign.
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I've never really paid much attention to turbos with more than 180 runners. Probably a seperate thread altogether but would anyone care to do a quick summary of large turbo mtt's - levels, stages and strategies???
I think there are reguler $10k gtd turbos on stars, how long do they usually take to complete? -
The 8.80 turbo MTT is at 8:40 PM EST every night and IIRC has a $10K guarantee on it. I've only run in it a few times but it tends to get about 2200-2500 runners. I have it on good word that it rarely lasts more than 3 to 3-1/2 hours, I'm sure some of the regulars can be more precise.
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Sadly, these two statements are the most ignorant and ridiculous statements I've read all day......
Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
That's the most ignorant and ridiculous statement I've ever read. Poker was intended to be played in any and every format that it can possibly be played. You are just one of the many who don't understand how to win at them, and deem those who do win to be impatient and complete luckboxes. But in fact a good turbo player is very patient, picking profitable spots as well as they can. I agree with OP, cosign.
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If you don't like Frank that is fine, but I think he said it perfectly. A good turbo player is more patient than you think, because if they are good they are analyzing EVERY detail of why they should or shouldn't put them in, and there are a lot of nuances Impatient players miss forcing them to shove when they shouldn't.
Originally Posted by captvtek33
Sadly, these two statements are the most ignorant and ridiculous statements I've read all day......Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
That's the most ignorant and ridiculous statement I've ever read. Poker was intended to be played in any and every format that it can possibly be played. You are just one of the many who don't understand how to win at them, and deem those who do win to be impatient and complete luckboxes. But in fact a good turbo player is very patient, picking profitable spots as well as they can. I agree with OP, cosign.
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nice pic
Originally Posted by captvtek33
Sadly, these two statements are the most ignorant and ridiculous statements I've read all day......Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
That's the most ignorant and ridiculous statement I've ever read. Poker was intended to be played in any and every format that it can possibly be played. You are just one of the many who don't understand how to win at them, and deem those who do win to be impatient and complete luckboxes. But in fact a good turbo player is very patient, picking profitable spots as well as they can. I agree with OP, cosign.
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I don't know frank from a hole in the ground, I have no reason not to like him, however, this argument about the skill of turbo heroes seems to be endless. FWIW, turbo poker is generally not poker, try scratch tickets for instant gambling gratification.
Originally Posted by TiltinShoes
If you don't like Frank that is fine, but I think he said it perfectly. A good turbo player is more patient than you think, because if they are good they are analyzing EVERY detail of why they should or shouldn't put them in, and there are a lot of nuances Impatient players miss forcing them to shove when they shouldn't.Originally Posted by captvtek33
Sadly, these two statements are the most ignorant and ridiculous statements I've read all day......Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
That's the most ignorant and ridiculous statement I've ever read. Poker was intended to be played in any and every format that it can possibly be played. You are just one of the many who don't understand how to win at them, and deem those who do win to be impatient and complete luckboxes. But in fact a good turbo player is very patient, picking profitable spots as well as they can. I agree with OP, cosign.
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And now I see you don't have a vendetta against Frank but you are just ignorant. I was hoping for your sake it was the first. You would have at least had some supporters in that case. There are some RIDIC good turbo players online. I know that because they have played well over 5k Turbo MTT SNGs and make enough money that they can whipe their ass with a hundo from time to time if they like.
Originally Posted by captvtek33
I don't know frank from a hole in the ground, I have no reason not to like him, however, this argument about the skill of turbo heroes seems to be endless. FWIW, turbo poker is generally not poker, try scratch tickets for instant gambling gratification.Originally Posted by TiltinShoes
If you don't like Frank that is fine, but I think he said it perfectly. A good turbo player is more patient than you think, because if they are good they are analyzing EVERY detail of why they should or shouldn't put them in, and there are a lot of nuances Impatient players miss forcing them to shove when they shouldn't.Originally Posted by captvtek33
Sadly, these two statements are the most ignorant and ridiculous statements I've read all day......Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
That's the most ignorant and ridiculous statement I've ever read. Poker was intended to be played in any and every format that it can possibly be played. You are just one of the many who don't understand how to win at them, and deem those who do win to be impatient and complete luckboxes. But in fact a good turbo player is very patient, picking profitable spots as well as they can. I agree with OP, cosign.
and cosign.
Edit: and I don't know many long term winning scratcher ticket playrs. -
Listen dude, I'm not denying that people can make money playing turbos. It takes the same general skill to play a turbo than i does any other tourney. I'm just saying the turbo format is more rewarding for bad players b/c it is less long term on it's very basis. The more time you give donks to make mistakes, the larger the edge. Turbos are not conducive to this generally and are much shorter term as individual tourneys. I'm far from ignorant, I'm just trying to make a point.
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Thanks? Really not sure how this is relevant/helping anybody? But if you enjoy being a douche for the sake of being a douche, well played sir.
Originally Posted by bob2bob
nice picOriginally Posted by captvtek33
Sadly, these two statements are the most ignorant and ridiculous statements I've read all day......Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
That's the most ignorant and ridiculous statement I've ever read. Poker was intended to be played in any and every format that it can possibly be played. You are just one of the many who don't understand how to win at them, and deem those who do win to be impatient and complete luckboxes. But in fact a good turbo player is very patient, picking profitable spots as well as they can. I agree with OP, cosign.
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you sir are being a douche, why come to a thread asking for more turbos just to say they suck (ie you suck at them)
Originally Posted by captvtek33
Thanks? Really not sure how this is relevant/helping anybody? But if you enjoy being a douche for the sake of being a douche, well played sir.Originally Posted by bob2bob
nice picOriginally Posted by captvtek33
Sadly, these two statements are the most ignorant and ridiculous statements I've read all day......Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
That's the most ignorant and ridiculous statement I've ever read. Poker was intended to be played in any and every format that it can possibly be played. You are just one of the many who don't understand how to win at them, and deem those who do win to be impatient and complete luckboxes. But in fact a good turbo player is very patient, picking profitable spots as well as they can. I agree with OP, cosign.
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First off, I'm here to express my what a bad idea this is. I have every right in the world to disagree with this idea. I don't play turbos generally, so who knows if I suck at them. I'm generally unlucky and run bad, so when some idiot just shoves to shove, I'm usually in bad shape w/ ATC. I'm begging stars not to add more turbos, they've done enough to ruin the state of poker by making thier rebuys turbo donkfests. I'd like to see more POKER TOURNEIES on the site, rather than donkey loving shove festivals. I BEG OF YOU pokerstars!!! LESS TURBO DONKFESTS!!! MORE P-O-K-E-R!!!!!!!
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The fact of the matter is you do not understand turbos AT ALL. I am not calling turbo players "heroes" either. Yes your edge is higher in a slower structure on a per tournament basis. But is your win rate per hour higher? No, it's in fact lower. If I can play 3 turbo MTTs with a 50% ROI and you can play 1 regular MTT with a 100% ROI, (They will take approx same average time) who is going to make more money per hour? I can calculate this out for u, but the answer is already quite obvious. Also, calling turbos "donkfests" just truly shows your ignorance. They are donkfests because of players like you, who don't understand them, and consistently lose money at them, while players like myself and others who have posted in this thread (or anywhere for that matter) consistently win money at them.
Originally Posted by captvtek33
First off, I'm here to express my what a bad idea this is. I have every right in the world to disagree with this idea. I don't play turbos generally, so who knows if I suck at them. I'm generally unlucky and run bad, so when some idiot just shoves to shove, I'm usually in bad shape w/ ATC. I'm begging stars not to add more turbos, they've done enough to ruin the state of poker by making thier rebuys turbo donkfests. I'd like to see more POKER TOURNEIES on the site, rather than donkey loving shove festivals. I BEG OF YOU pokerstars!!! LESS TURBO DONKFESTS!!! MORE P-O-K-E-R!!!!!!!
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HOLY DONKEY SHIT BATMAN!!!!1 As I've stated before, I do not play in turbos, so I'm not one of those donks who "consistently lose money in them". I'm happy for you and your winning and whatnot. I choose not to play turbos b/c it greatly reduces good players edge. AS I SAID, THERE IS STILL AN EDGE. I'm glad you luckbox loving turbo heroes all love to flame on me b/c I don't agree that they are good for poker. Turbos are horrible for poker in general, because they do thier best to reward donkeys in the shortterm. That's all I'm trying to say, you can't argue that, yet you continue to just be an insulting asshole just b/c you think I don't like them b/c I lose at them?!?!?!?! I don't f'ing play them, I enjoy poker, try bingo, or craps or some shit if you want to be done quickly. GEEZ........
Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
The fact of the matter is you do not understand turbos AT ALL. I am not calling turbo players "heroes" either. Yes your edge is higher in a slower structure on a per tournament basis. But is your win rate per hour higher? No, it's in fact lower. If I can play 3 turbo MTTs with a 50% ROI and you can play 1 regular MTT with a 100% ROI, (They will take approx same average time) who is going to make more money per hour? I can calculate this out for u, but the answer is already quite obvious. Also, calling turbos "donkfests" just truly shows your ignorance. They are donkfests because of players like you, who don't understand them, and consistently lose money at them, while players like myself and others who have posted in this thread (or anywhere for that matter) consistently win money at them.Originally Posted by captvtek33
First off, I'm here to express my what a bad idea this is. I have every right in the world to disagree with this idea. I don't play turbos generally, so who knows if I suck at them. I'm generally unlucky and run bad, so when some idiot just shoves to shove, I'm usually in bad shape w/ ATC. I'm begging stars not to add more turbos, they've done enough to ruin the state of poker by making thier rebuys turbo donkfests. I'd like to see more POKER TOURNEIES on the site, rather than donkey loving shove festivals. I BEG OF YOU pokerstars!!! LESS TURBO DONKFESTS!!! MORE P-O-K-E-R!!!!!!!
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How is "rewarding donks in the short term" bad for poker? That's what poker is, in a nutshell. If donks didn't get short term rewards, they would not play, simple as that. The same can be said for any form or format of poker. And if you don't play turbos, then why are you even posting in this thread, why does it even matter to you? It's not like by adding a turbo major, they're going to take away a regular major. It's simply one more table to add to the collection on a regular grind.
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So your argument is that giving donkies intermittent reinforcement, and therefore a reason to keep playing, is bad for the game?
Originally Posted by captvtek33
HOLY DONKEY SHIT BATMAN!!!!1 As I've stated before, I do not play in turbos, so I'm not one of those donks who "consistently lose money in them". I'm happy for you and your winning and whatnot. I choose not to play turbos b/c it greatly reduces good players edge. AS I SAID, THERE IS STILL AN EDGE. I'm glad you luckbox loving turbo heroes all love to flame on me b/c I don't agree that they are good for poker. Turbos are horrible for poker in general, because they do thier best to reward donkeys in the shortterm. That's all I'm trying to say, you can't argue that, yet you continue to just be an insulting asshole just b/c you think I don't like them b/c I lose at them?!?!?!?! I don't f'ing play them, I enjoy poker, try bingo, or craps or some shit if you want to be done quickly. GEEZ........
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hell yes i love turbos
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If only that could be guaranteed, stars has already fucked most of us out of a rebuy format that is not a turbo donkfest, who's to say that they won't just change the sunday million to a turbo, due to "popular demand" by stupid threads like this. They've done enough to ruin poker as it is without taking away more poker touries in liu of turbo donkfests. PLEASE STARS!! IGNORE THIS STUPID REQUEST!!!
Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank
How is "rewarding donks in the short term" bad for poker? That's what poker is, in a nutshell. If donks didn't get short term rewards, they would not play, simple as that. The same can be said for any form or format of poker. And if you don't play turbos, then why are you even posting in this thread, why does it even matter to you? It's not like by adding a turbo major, they're going to take away a regular major. It's simply one more table to add to the collection on a regular grind.
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This. Most deffinately cosign.
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After my initial response to the guy I wanted to ignore this, but geez. Man if you don't like turbos thats fine, don't play them. There is no need to discredit them or the people who play them just because they aren't your cup of tea. You are most defininitely entitled to your own opinion, but turbos are not "luck poker." Just stay away from them if you don't like them.
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^^^This Not to mention the fact that easier/quicker short-term gratification is soooo good for poker. When people think they are better than they actually are the entire poker world profits.
Originally Posted by TiltinShoes
After my initial response to the guy I wanted to ignore this, but geez. Man if you don't like turbos thats fine, don't play them. There is no need to discredit them or the people who play them just because they aren't your cup of tea. You are most defininitely entitled to your own opinion, but turbos are not "luck poker." Just stay away from them if you don't like them.
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Good plan, that is what I do, as you may have read from the prevoius 20 posts I made. I WON'T PLAY THEM. All I'm saying is that there should be less of these rather than more. My point is, this is a horrible idea. Not that stars really gives two shits what we say. I'd imagine they'll go for this idiotic idea b/c they can run many of them for more rake and more donks can go out faster to simply sign up for a new one, creating more revenue for the site.
Originally Posted by TiltinShoes
After my initial response to the guy I wanted to ignore this, but geez. Man if you don't like turbos thats fine, don't play them. There is no need to discredit them or the people who play them just because they aren't your cup of tea. You are most defininitely entitled to your own opinion, but turbos are not "luck poker." Just stay away from them if you don't like them.
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People ONLY want turbos for volumes sake. Because they think their $/hr will be greater. I am a decent turbo player, I just don't care for shovefest. If you want to play more volume - there's a such thing as multi-tabling, put money on more than one site and open as many games as you like.
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HOLY SHIT!!!! Finally someone who has some clue what they are talking about. Thank you sir!!! I thought the entire poker world had turned retarded. It's nice to hear a voice of reason now and agian. Gawd, P5's is generally filled w/ flaming idiots who are here to insult us b/c they can't win in Magic the gathering anymore. It's nice to hear from a poker player now and again.
Originally Posted by jsmanuel
People ONLY want turbos for volumes sake. Because they think their $/hr will be greater. I am a decent turbo player, I just don't care for shovefest. If you want to play more volume - there's a such thing as multi-tabling, put money on more than one site and open as many games as you like.
pokerstars should change their name to TurboStars, imo. -
Lol @ people in this thread bitching about turbos. If you don't like them don't play them, and get the fuck out of the thread. A new turbo no way affects you since you're so good at regular MTTs you can't be bothered anyway. Ban captvtek33 for being incredibly obnoxious and ignorant.
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