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Villan seemed fairly solid up to this point. Whats your play on the turn? Im thinking if I call here im facing a decision on the river for my tourny life....
pokerstars Game #24952025248: Tournament #140583129, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXV (17500/35000) - 2009/02/14 22:30:21 ET
Table '140583129 52' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: bevo54 (783011 in chips)
Seat 2: quaid745 (2320553 in chips)
Seat 7: Kyle Million (1630000 in chips)
Seat 8: SunrayShorty (869032 in chips)
Seat 9: sambhygreen (1071404 in chips)
bevo54: posts the ante 4375
quaid745: posts the ante 4375
Kyle Million: posts the ante 4375
SunrayShorty: posts the ante 4375
sambhygreen: posts the ante 4375
sambhygreen: posts small blind 17500
bevo54: posts big blind 35000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [Ah Ac]
quaid745 said, "and a misclick"
quaid745: folds
Kyle Million: calls 35000
SunrayShorty: calls 35000
bevo54 said, "AA plz dealer"
sambhygreen: raises 85000 to 120000
bevo54: folds
Kyle Million: calls 85000
SunrayShorty: folds
*** FLOP *** [9h Kc Qs]
sambhygreen: bets 175000
Kyle Million: calls 175000
*** TURN *** [9h Kc Qs] [6h]
sambhygreen: checks
Kyle Million: bets 230625
sambhygreen:................... -
lol if you are folding on this turn you should...well i'll let everyone else tell you how bad that would be.
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What are you scared of him having here??
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What am I beating here apart from a bluff? I dont see him limping AK? Surely he can show up with QK or TJ alot here?
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Raise much bigger pre (5-6x because of the limpers). Given the one player here, I like check-raising this flop, as he has likely connected with a hand you're still ahead of. As played, I still like jamming this turn because the 6 changes nothing about the situation from the flop (unless he's bad enough to call with 66).
Hands you lose to in his range: KQ, 99, KK (not likely), QQ (not likely), JTs
Hands you beat in his range for sure: KJ and suited, KT and suited, TT, QJ and suited, AQ and suited, QT and suited (not likely)
You have to jam here because you checked the turn and forced his bet. It's better to check than bet, but folding here would be really bad due to reasons cited above. -
i really dont feel the need to raise much if any bigger than this pre so dont worry too much. Personally I make it 123456 to go but I digress.
His turn bet is kinda sickening but I really still can imagine doing it but getting it in...sorry you ran into KQ or so :( -
this...dont listen to anyone posting before these two imo...your raise pre was fine imo, wtf u have aces 5 handed at a final table, u want action....pretty puke flop too imo, im def hating it in your spot, c bet is good and smooth call is so scary, and in a 5 rebuy, that bet is so wierd, hes praying for you to jam...i fold if im you and LOL at everyone in here who just cant give up aces. please dont ever change thx
Originally Posted by 3kingme3
i really dont feel the need to raise much if any bigger than this pre so dont worry too much. Personally I make it 123456 to go but I digress.
His turn bet is kinda sickening but I really still can imagine doing it but getting it in...sorry you ran into KQ or so :(
if u called, ul gg, its a tough fold regardless...but i give you props on your level of thinking -
Thanks for the responses, this hand really got to me and im still not even sure of the right play. Ive OPR'd Kyle million since and he's a loosing player but I dont know if that means I should call more often or not???
In the end I watched my timebank run out and couldnt bring myself to shove it at the buzzer.... I said I folded AA and he said LOL. I ended up reshoving 66 into 99 and crashed in 4th.
pokerstars Game #24952025248: Tournament #140583129, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXV (17500/35000) - 2009/02/14 22:30:21 ET
Table '140583129 52' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: bevo54 (783011 in chips)
Seat 2: quaid745 (2320553 in chips)
Seat 7: Kyle Million (1630000 in chips)
Seat 8: SunrayShorty (869032 in chips)
Seat 9: sambhygreen (1071404 in chips)
bevo54: posts the ante 4375
quaid745: posts the ante 4375
Kyle Million: posts the ante 4375
SunrayShorty: posts the ante 4375
sambhygreen: posts the ante 4375
sambhygreen: posts small blind 17500
bevo54: posts big blind 35000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [Ah Ac]
quaid745 said, "and a misclick"
quaid745: folds
Kyle Million: calls 35000
SunrayShorty: calls 35000
bevo54 said, "AA plz dealer"
sambhygreen: raises 85000 to 120000
bevo54: folds
Kyle Million: calls 85000
SunrayShorty: folds
*** FLOP *** [9h Kc Qs]
sambhygreen: bets 175000
Kyle Million: calls 175000
*** TURN *** [9h Kc Qs] [6h]
sambhygreen: checks
Kyle Million: bets 230625
sambhygreen has timed out
sambhygreen: folds
Uncalled bet (230625) returned to Kyle Million
sambhygreen is sitting out
Kyle Million collected 681875 from pot
Kyle Million: doesn't show hand
sambhygreen has returned
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 681875 | Rake 0
Board [9h Kc Qs 6h]
Seat 1: bevo54 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: quaid745 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Kyle Million collected (681875)
Seat 8: SunrayShorty (button) folded before Flop
Seat 9: sambhygreen (small blind) folded on the Turn -
i make it 144,444 or 155,555 pre..
i bet 222,222 on the flop..
i def get it in on the turn.. i mean hes bound to be opening KQ/99 5 handed with his stack.. i think he has KJ,K10,QJ,Q10 or air enough of the time here.. -
Meh,as played, jam turn. Your check gives him the green light to take a stab, which is how I see it.
Ul if he had you, but as played, I don't really think you should fold. -
You have to think about how this hand played out from the limp to the pre flop call to the flat. When I think about what he could have I think he could have KQs to call pre maybe QJs 99 or TJs. So you lead the flop now his range gets narrowed down you can take the KQ and throw it out. I dont think he flatts here with KQ. QJ maybe but QJ is the worst of the 4 hands so I'm not thinking QJ. 99 you lose to. TJ flatting on this flop makes sense. I think you made the right fold here. I see the troll flipping TJ on you. You did screw up pre flop though you should be playing a bigger raise w/ 146K in the pot when it's your turn to act. You should be raising to around 155K here pre flop and be ready to make a huge bet on this flop IMO. $5 donkament be ready for him to be value betting his 66 also. gl
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Thanks for the responses.
As far as pre-flop goes maybe I should raise slightly more but I want action here and looks like such a good spot to squeeze with FE so maybe I get shoved on pre.
I think I need to bet the flop slightly more
I still have no idea what to do on the turn
Ive found out Kyle Milion is on PocketFives so ive messaged him asking him. Fingers Crossed! -
I'm probably jamming the turn here unless I want to try to check/induce bluff/all in.
You have to bet because if you check the turn you have no idea what is going on the villian may just be taking a shot because you backed off after firing the c-bet. Your stack size is such that you can't really make any bet into that pot on the turn other than all-in.
As played I shove on this guy he could have top pair you don't know and even if he has two pair you have a shot at catching up.
At these stakes you lose value in the long run by folding here because so many players will stack off here with top pair. Sometimes the villain will have the absolute nuts, yes, but you cannot justify a fold due to the times you are ahead here and villian is a donk overplaying top pair. -
if he really had it on the turn wouldnt he bet way more due to the 2 hearts?
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Dealt to Kyle Million [Td Js]
GG Sam. I was getting jiggy since I had the big stack. Truly, calling with my cards was silly, but it worked out great....
Not even soooted, I know. I should have bet the flop, but felt like very little could hurt me on the turn. I wanted you to put AXs in my range w/ possibly having a AhQh or AhKh, but now I see why that didn't work. Flopping the rainbow str8 worked out better than expected.
Yes, my stats suck. I just went through a divorce and the last year has been nearly impossible to focus for periods of time. Hopefully I can re-dedicate myself to pokah. See ya around. -
Without being results oriented (Kyle just posted what he had) against the 5r fish I raise much bigger pre (like 175k), bet about 2/3's pot on the flop, and move in on the turn. You'll get called by much worse and if they out-flopped you FML, but so be it.
Also, LOL at some of the moronic responses like "jam turn, jam river" (how is that even possible?) and "there's absolutely no need to raise bigger pre". -
Thanks alot once again Kyle, the hand had been bugging me all day. Its good to have a thread with some actual good poker discussion for once. I know this is a 5r but its also the FT of the 5r I think people are going to be alot less likely to spew of chips with second pair etc especially considering the fairly steep payout for the first 3 places. Anyway, thanks for all the input. If anyone else has anything else to say I'm all ears.
See you on the tables
Sam -
I agree with raising a bit more pre flop. the fact that he's a losing player in my mind says shove the turn MORE. many poor players will show up with KJ or K10 here
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TBH, you put in more pre and I'm probably folding. Then again, I was CL and I did have position, so anything is possible. I know I was trying to focus more on each decision so it's possible I'm folding to a bigger raise. I can't recall, but if you were active at the FT then that might have created my call.
And for the record, it was a rebuy... But it was their new structure of 2 rebuys and 1 add-on. Basically, we're talking about a $20 mtt or cubed, not the "official" rebuy some might think of when we say "$5 rebuy". -
uh, based on the HH "quaid745" was CL.
Originally Posted by Kyle Million
TBH, you put in more pre and I'm probably folding. Then again, I was CL and I did have position, so anything is possible. I know I was trying to focus more on each decision so it's possible I'm folding to a bigger raise. I can't recall, but if you were active at the FT then that might have created my call.
And for the record, it was a rebuy... But it was their new structure of 2 rebuys and 1 add-on. Basically, we're talking about a $20 mtt or cubed, not the "official" rebuy some might think of when we say "$5 rebuy". -
Touche'. LOL, I've never been good at reveiwing HHs in text. You got me! I'm at work, while replying today. In truth, 1.6mm vs 1mm in chips isn't a lot of wiggle room. Luckily, I came out ahead in that hand but in truth I should have folded pre to ANY raise.
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