I high five my dog and fist pump shove 100% here ONE HANDS BEATS YOU.

You cant fold for the times he has AK(oh so very likely) + KK, QQ 3

35,958,384 games 0.005 secs 7,191,676,800 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.191% 54.62% 02.57% 19640560 924261.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 42.809% 40.24% 02.57% 14469302 924261.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

break ur damn mouse you call so fast here

whenever im running bad and read posts like this it generally makes me feel warm inside and it reassures myself that poker is and will continue to be profitable

 

Originally Posted by simpledude

This isnt a puke spot at all. Easy call imo

hahahahhahahhahaahaha. lol @ ever folding kk pre in a $6 sng. Jesus.

Cant fold, even if you think he has aces at this stage. Too many players go this line with AK at $6.00

I usally see this happen with AJ and low PP in this buy in and blinds that low.

 

Originally Posted by Jungcabar

i mean think about what he did. he flat called a raise then re-raised a re-re-raise.
I bet this will be AA 75% of the time.

How much exactly do you want to bet?? NO FUCKING WAY THIS IS AA 75% OF THE TIME.

I knew this was going to be precious when I read the title. OP please tell me this is all just a clever level??

Make it 180-200 pre. Obv never fold. Snap QQ too at this stake.

You must realize that even if he DOES have AA here, you still are about 20%.

DO. NOT. FOLD. KK. EVER. IN. LOWSTAKES. ANYTHING. EVER.

^ This.

 

Originally Posted by Jungcabar

you guys obvioulsy miss the entire point. yes, i know its a call. yes i will always call in this spot in this type of SNG. thats not what im asking. i was just making an observation that this will be AA more times than not and i still have to call. i just think its a little bit ironic that we play a game so based off of math and reading abilities yet in this situation it simply doesn't matter.

However, if i was posting this about a $109 turbo i wouldn't be getting as much shit for thinking about the hand this way.

No offense, but no one can hand read this accurately at almost any level, let alone $6. You're not getting it in just because you know it's AA, you're getting it in because you're still ahead of his range. There are a lot of hands that take this line w/ way more than AA (at least AK/QQ, of not more if they're monkeys). It's not even just that it's a $6 SNG and that there are a lot of crazy players, but there just aren't enough regs or people that you can get the kind of read you need to fold KK here. You can't fold KK to a random here at any level, and as played, probably not to a reg either. I've never personally folded KK pre before, but when I was playing 50-100s I can definitely fathom a situation vs. regs that I'd played 2000 hands with where folding KK would be +EV, especially considering ICM. But even though I knew like, 'this player will only 4-bet/5-bet with KK+ in the first 2 levels', I don't think the situation ever arose where I did fold KK. So, it's not only that it's a $6 game that people think this is such an easy call, but the kind of reads and meta-game you need in order to hand read a person accurately enough to put them on 'AA' is ridic. Even then, I don't think you can put someone on exactly AA, it's always KK+, which obv weighted towards AA if you have 2 Ks already. But yea, in the context of one hand in a vacuum, folding KK pre will never be good.

 

Originally Posted by Jungcabar

you guys obvioulsy miss the entire point. yes, i know its a call. yes i will always call in this spot in this type of SNG. thats not what im asking. i was just making an observation that this will be AA more times than not and i still have to call. i just think its a little bit ironic that we play a game so based off of math and reading abilities yet in this situation it simply doesn't matter.

However, if i was posting this about a $109 turbo i wouldn't be getting as much shit for thinking about the hand this way.

we missed the point? if this hand is put into the PD section then that means you want to get some advice back on how to lay the hand and thoughts ... if you are simply telling us that your KK ran into AA and it sucks then that belongs in bad beats .. so since it is in PD i think it safe to assume you wanted feedback .. and ur last little bit on if it was a $109 turbo is just an ignorant statement and does not change anyways ... the guy makes a squeeze which u know u r crushing .. this is at any level .. other dude james which would be without a doubt JJ+ or AK and possibly wider depending on the player .. at any level ... ur call is standard .. it sucks but its a must call (you play for long term resluts not short term)

Don't fold KK pre, plz.

Full Tilt Poker Game #12371830071: $22,500 Guarantee (92219954), Table 21 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:54:42 ET - 2009/05/22

Seat 1: andressoprano (3,240)

Seat 2: CuteIsWhatIAim4 (3,309)

Seat 3: mamarassia (3,104)

Seat 4: amansador (2,280)

Seat 5: Sonelin (3,352)

Seat 6: zorkin (3,496)

Seat 7: ANOCR (2,591)

Seat 8: eddywho (3,120)

Seat 9: freeholflash (2,903)

CuteIsWhatIAim4 posts the small blind of 30

mamarassia posts the big blind of 60

The button is in seat #1

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to andressoprano [Kh Kc]

amansador calls 60

Sonelin folds

zorkin folds

ANOCR folds

eddywho folds

freeholflash has 15 seconds left to act

freeholflash raises to 120

andressoprano raises to 480

CuteIsWhatIAim4 has 15 seconds left to act

CuteIsWhatIAim4 folds

mamarassia folds

amansador raises to 2,280, and is all in

freeholflash folds

andressoprano calls 1,800

amansador shows [Ac Kd]

andressoprano shows [Kh Kc]

*** FLOP *** [6d Jc 3c]

*** TURN *** [6d Jc 3c] [8h]

*** RIVER *** [6d Jc 3c 8h] [2h]

amansador shows Ace King high

andressoprano shows a pair of Kings

andressoprano wins the pot (4,770) with a pair of Kings

amansador stands up

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 4,770 | Rake 0

Board: [6d Jc 3c 8h 2h]

Seat 1: andressoprano (button) showed [Kh Kc] and won (4,770) with a pair of Kings

Seat 2: CuteIsWhatIAim4 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 3: mamarassia (big blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 4: amansador showed [Ac Kd] and lost with Ace King high