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push with 44 on button with one limper?

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  1. Fear Le55 Fear Le55 is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2007 (7/30/2007 12:28pm)

    should i push with my 44 hoping to make everyone lay it down and take down the blinds when im on the button here?

    pokerstars Game #11217095902: Tournament #56907262, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/07/30 - 12:23:28 (ET)
    Table '56907262 1' 10-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 2: COMTOISD (2086 in chips)
    Seat 4: Fear Le55 (1844 in chips)
    Seat 5: Manuman77 (4475 in chips)
    Seat 7: Laronee (1665 in chips)
    Seat 9: wolf0505 (1955 in chips)
    Seat 10: gess82 (2975 in chips)
    Manuman77: posts small blind 75
    Laronee: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Fear Le55 [4s 4c]
    wolf0505: folds
    gess82: calls 150
    COMTOISD: folds
    Fear Le55: raises 1694 to 1844 and is all-in
    Manuman77: raises 2631 to 4475 and is all-in
    Laronee: folds
    gess82: folds
    *** FLOP *** [3h Ah Ts]
    Fear Le55 said, "nh"
    Fear Le55 said, "gg"
    *** TURN *** [3h Ah Ts] [7s]
    *** RIVER *** [3h Ah Ts 7s] [6c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Manuman77: shows [Th Td] (three of a kind, Tens)
    Fear Le55: shows [4s 4c] (a pair of Fours)
    Manuman77 collected 3988 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3988 | Rake 0
    Board [3h Ah Ts 7s 6c]
    Seat 2: COMTOISD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Fear Le55 (button) showed [4s 4c] and lost with a pair of Fours
    Seat 5: Manuman77 (small blind) showed [Th Td] and won (3988) with three of a kind, Tens
    Seat 7: Laronee (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: wolf0505 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 10: gess82 folded before Flop
  2. godawgs85 godawgs85 is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2007 (7/30/2007 1:59pm) in reply to Fear Le55

    I would standard raise, not push here. A raise has about the same chance of taking the blinds with much less risk. At least then you would have known you were up against a hand for the sb probably would have reraised and you could have waited for a better spot.

    I posted a thread a while ago that was from the bubble of a SNG i won where I was pushing kind of like you did here. I by far discourage this mentality however, even though I won the SNG. I usually do not play like this but had a few reads on my opponents. Even still, I probably was being too aggressive, especially in some of the hands as you will see. Anyways, read the thread and the comments I got and it will give you some insight into how this mentality can get you in trouble. Good luck.

    http://www.pocketfives.com/783E1772-...C8ED07B3C.aspx

    godawgs85
  3. Ally Ally is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2007 (7/30/2007 2:03pm) in reply to Fear Le55

    It's not awful. You could limp here to look for a set, or you can shove. Don't like standard raise here to what, $600, then fold if you face resistance? Fold isn't bad either.

    I probably fold or shove.
  4. kabobkl kabobkl is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2007 (7/30/2007 2:08pm) in reply to Fear Le55

    fold or shove seem like the only two options. I would def shove.
  5. godawgs85 godawgs85 is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2007 (7/30/2007 2:40pm) in reply to Ally

    If all your trying to do with 44 is steal the blinds why not just standard raise, or raise say 2.5x BB? If you push, you're asking for a coin flip at best....or to be seriously dominated by a bigger pair as in this situation...
  6. qwksilver qwksilver is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2007 (7/30/2007 2:57pm) in reply to Fear Le55

    I think, in this situation its push or fold also ....it might depend on if the blinds were defending or not. without any knowledge i prob push aslo.

    Also for God there's one limper in this hand already so 2.5Xbb is not an option because it is an auto by call w atc by original limper. and a raise to 600+ would leave about 1200 behind (7-8 bbs) not enough to fold this hand pf...so allin or fold

    My 2 cents
  7. godawgs85 godawgs85 is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2007 (7/30/2007 3:07pm) in reply to qwksilver

    Granted, I agree with you here then...i did not notice the limper...
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