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Q hi flush on turn, What do you do here, ADVICE NEEDED!

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  1. TheSlicKKid2 TheSlicKKid2 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 8:34pm)

    OKay I know I can count on you guys for advice, and suggestions.. Im playing the $30 Deep stack and were only like an hour and a half into the tourney i have 4700, just under starting stack but plenty of chips with the blinds only 25 50.. My read on initial raiser was a very Lag'y, get in as many pots as possible, always raised when he entered a pot.. Other guy who wound up beind in the hand just got moved and didnt have a clue.. I called to see a flop here know there wouldbe multi way action, and trying to hit a big hand. Here is the hand history up to the part where its my turn.. Im so confused and looking how the action played out, I truly belive i made the right move, However it didnt work out for me.. PLease post opinions, and what you guys would have done.. Thank you very much.

    (Ill post the rest of the HH after i get some responses)

    pokerstars Game #5517478701: Tournament #27707176, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/07/10 - 19:35:00 (ET)
    Table '27707176 9' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: m_a_r_l_i_ns (4495 in chips)
    Seat 2: trple8 (1915 in chips)
    Seat 3: DeuceVegas (4905 in chips)
    Seat 4: angus88 (3240 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 5: FatsoFat6969 (6340 in chips)
    Seat 6: FiremanCapt (6630 in chips)
    Seat 7: Showboat68 (10315 in chips)
    Seat 8: TheSlicKKid2 (4745 in chips)
    Seat 9: Mity Scooter (6950 in chips)
    TheSlicKKid2: posts small blind 25
    Mity Scooter: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to TheSlicKKid2 [Qh 8h]
    m_a_r_l_i_ns: folds
    trple8: folds
    angus88 has returned
    m_a_r_l_i_ns said, "had to do it.. str8 draw.."
    DeuceVegas: calls 50
    angus88: folds
    FatsoFat6969: raises 150 to 200
    FiremanCapt: calls 200
    Showboat68: folds
    TheSlicKKid2: calls 175
    Mity Scooter: folds
    DeuceVegas: calls 150
    *** FLOP *** [3d 9h 2h]
    TheSlicKKid2: checks
    m_a_r_l_i_ns said, "too bad slickkid wasn't in that hand... :P"
    DeuceVegas: checks
    FatsoFat6969: bets 450
    FiremanCapt: folds
    TheSlicKKid2: calls 450
    DeuceVegas: calls 450
    *** TURN *** [3d 9h 2h] [4h]
    TheSlicKKid2: checks
    DeuceVegas: checks
    FatsoFat6969: bets 1400
    Mity Scooter said, "why, then he'd sing cuae you called with 55"
    TheSlicKKid2: calls 1400-- Just call here to see river(didint think i needed to get it in case river 4 flushed)
    DeuceVegas: raises 2855 to 4255 and is all-in ( without hesitation)
    FatsoFat6969: raises 1435 to 5690 and is all-in(before it could even blink his turn)

    My delemia is if i call, i could be dead, Or up against AhX and a set.. However I have just less then half my stack in and I hit my 3rd nut flush..I used my whole time bank before deciding..
    Btw if i fold i still have 2500 on 25/50 blinds.. Please tell me what u guys think.
     
  2. dunit1003 dunit1003 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 8:37pm) in reply to TheSlicKKid2

    Yeah with all the action you have to fold third nuts here. Someone might be making the play with top set and someone with a higher flush, but I think you're beat here.
  3. stevester214 stevester214 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 8:39pm) in reply to dunit1003

    I call here for one reason. If i'm chasing and put in that many chips, why would i fold when i hit what i wanted?
  4. KingPariah KingPariah is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 8:42pm) in reply to TheSlicKKid2

    I'm pretty sure your first paragraph gives away that you would've won the hand (I truely think I made the right play)...so its hard not to be biased here...

    some will say if you're up against a better flush than it just wasnt your tourney
    some will say to make the laydown...

    were you up against 333 and a wheel?
  5. TheSlicKKid2 TheSlicKKid2 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 8:42pm) in reply to stevester214

    Alright its 1-1 so far.. lol. I really would like to see alot of responses.. Im still rethinking it in my head... But I still think my decision was right.
     
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  6. KingPariah KingPariah is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 8:46pm) in reply to stevester214

    I like your answer, but not your logic steve...yes, he wanted to hit his flush..but when he did there is nothing wrong with doing a little re-evaluating of the situation
  7. stevester214 stevester214 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 8:56pm) in reply to KingPariah

    I can understand re-evaluating the situation. There is nothing wrong with that. I'm looking at it as saying, "Why am i going to chase for the third nuts if i think other people who called are chasing with the 1st and 2nd nuts." So if i'm calling on flop and i hit my Q high flush (3rd nuts), there is no way i'm going to lay it down. If someone has A high or K high flush, i chalk it up to being a cooler, or to the fact that i'm chasing with cards that i really shouldnt be chasing with in the first place. That's all im trying to say, not trying to put down his play or anything. Hope its clear!-
    Steve
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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 9:02pm) in reply to KingPariah

    No i was not,Ill post it in about 5 min.. But no wheel
     
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  9. D_Newman D_Newman is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 9:06pm) in reply to KingPariah

    "I just call here to see the river because I dont see a need to get it in if the river 4-flushes"

    So push all in and make them pay to see the four flush,
  10. TheSlicKKid2 TheSlicKKid2 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 9:16pm) in reply to D_Newman

    Yeah looking back I guess that could of been the one thing that might have been different.. Here is what happened, And again when i look at the hand played out after the heart hit and how fast there actions were.. I felt comfortable leaving myself with 2500 on 25/50 blinds.. I believe the amount of times Im behind, or lose on river isnt worth it. It was bad to call preflop.. But like newman said I probally should have pushed on turn if anything.. O well.. ALso id like to add after i folded and left me 2400, that as of this post im up to 17,000, about to be on 3rd break.. Hope it works out for me..

    pokerstars Game #5517478701: Tournament #27707176, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/07/10 - 19:35:00 (ET)
    Table '27707176 9' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: m_a_r_l_i_ns (4495 in chips)
    Seat 2: trple8 (1915 in chips)
    Seat 3: DeuceVegas (4905 in chips)
    Seat 4: angus88 (3240 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 5: FatsoFat6969 (6340 in chips)
    Seat 6: FiremanCapt (6630 in chips)
    Seat 7: Showboat68 (10315 in chips)
    Seat 8: TheSlicKKid2 (4745 in chips)
    Seat 9: Mity Scooter (6950 in chips)
    TheSlicKKid2: posts small blind 25
    Mity Scooter: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to TheSlicKKid2 [Qh 8h]
    m_a_r_l_i_ns: folds
    trple8: folds
    angus88 has returned
    m_a_r_l_i_ns said, "had to do it.. str8 draw.."
    DeuceVegas: calls 50
    angus88: folds
    FatsoFat6969: raises 150 to 200
    FiremanCapt: calls 200
    Showboat68: folds
    TheSlicKKid2: calls 175
    Mity Scooter: folds
    DeuceVegas: calls 150
    *** FLOP *** [3d 9h 2h]
    TheSlicKKid2: checks
    m_a_r_l_i_ns said, "too bad slickkid wasn't in that hand... :P"
    DeuceVegas: checks
    FatsoFat6969: bets 450
    FiremanCapt: folds
    TheSlicKKid2: calls 450
    DeuceVegas: calls 450
    *** TURN *** [3d 9h 2h] [4h]
    TheSlicKKid2: checks
    DeuceVegas: checks
    FatsoFat6969: bets 1400
    Mity Scooter said, "why, then he'd sing cuae you called with 55"
    TheSlicKKid2: calls 1400
    DeuceVegas: raises 2855 to 4255 and is all-in
    FatsoFat6969: raises 1435 to 5690 and is all-in
    TheSlicKKid2: folds
    TheSlicKKid2 said, "ph"
    TheSlicKKid2 said, "bg\"
    TheSlicKKid2 said, "-pLJK i"
    TheSlicKKid2 said, "b "K89u\"
    TheSlicKKid2 said, "hb\u8"
    TheSlicKKid2 said, "VK"
    TheSlicKKid2 said, "|89"
    TheSlicKKid2 said, "VO"
    TheSlicKKid2 said, "|8"
    *** RIVER *** [3d 9h 2h 4h] [7s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    DeuceVegas: shows [Th Jh] (a flush, Jack high)
    FatsoFat6969: shows [Ac Ah] (a pair of Aces)
    DeuceVegas collected 12110 from pot

    Booo mee!
     
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  11. stevester214 stevester214 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 9:23pm) in reply to TheSlicKKid2

    Important thing is you're still kicking. GL hope you take it down.-
    Steve
  12. TheSlicKKid2 TheSlicKKid2 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 9:32pm) in reply to stevester214

    tyvm.. Trying man..
     
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  13. TheSlicKKid2 TheSlicKKid2 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 11:39pm) in reply to TheSlicKKid2

    bUMP, up to 60,000 5hrs 25min in.. Almost ITM, got 18k more then ave.. Worked out for me nicely even after that fold.. hopefully i can ride it to the win
     
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  14. Octan3_ipwnsippin Octan3_ipwnsippin is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2006 (7/10/2006 11:56pm) in reply to TheSlicKKid2

    even tho that happened, i still call, because you chased your hand, you hit, and when that happens i chase it to death (unless its like a 4 high flush, or board 2 pairs etc.
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    Jul 11th, 2006 (7/11/2006 12:08am) in reply to Octan3_ipwnsippin

    Dont play raised pots with Q 8 out of position?
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    Jul 11th, 2006 (7/11/2006 12:09am) in reply to Octan3_ipwnsippin

    Ya i realize my mistake was not shoving when he bet turn.. If i shove, I dont have to have 2nd thoughts.. Thats all i was looking for was some help.. Glad i was able to bounce back from the 2400 and now itm with little over 55k.. Once again hopefully i can ride the mistake that worked out getting me chips to the end.. Ty for all the responses.
     
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