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  1. BonafideAdam BonafideAdam is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 9:50am)

    im just wondering what you expect to win( buy in wise) at the $6, and $16 sng turbo level if your a good player and have a BIG sample size. also how many do you play a day? do you guys 8 table for one stint, or continously fire them out for a few hours? thanks

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  2. pokerisnice pokerisnice is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 9:57am) in reply to BonafideAdam

    Over the past 3 months I have grinded out nearly 1,800 $27 turbos. I never play less thn 6 at once, and since I have had a bonus at Full Tilt the past couple months I am usually playing 4 to 6 on stars and another 2 sng's on Full Tilt.

    I usually play sessions of 12 to 16 sng's at once, firing up a new table as soon as I bust.

    My ROI at the $27's is over 14% 6-tabling. There are few players who can sustain this high of an ROI playing that many tables at once over such a large sample.

    At the $16's 6-tabling a very good player could expect to sustain an ROI of between 17 to 20%. And, though I dont have a very big sample playing at the $6 level I would venture to say that an ROI of 25% is quite achievable multi-tabling.

    Hope this helps
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 10:02am) in reply to pokerisnice

    thanks a lot, im going to look up roi in the poker dictionary now...( i know its return on investment just dont quite what that means.) how do u figure out your "roi"?
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  4. gamaitec gamaitec is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 10:03am) in reply to pokerisnice

    25% in the 6 turbos is very hard.
     
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 10:08am) in reply to BonafideAdam

    Here it is.

    Say you played 1,000 $16 turbos. Your investment would be $16,000. Lets say that during those 1,000 sngs you made $1,600.

    You divide your profit by your total investment.

    1,600
    --------- = .10 or 10% ROI
    16,000
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 10:18am) in reply to pokerisnice

    thanks pokerisnice. i found www.checkyourbets.com that has a program that will do it for you for free. what do you think is a good roi?
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 10:32am) in reply to BonafideAdam

    What a good ROI is depends on many things. what level you are playing, how much experience you have, how many tables you are playing at once. Initially, I think any sort of a positive ROI is good. Then as you become a better player you could set loftier goals, again based on level, and # of tables. If you havent played many sngs at all I would start off playing just one or two at a time. Get a decent sample going, say 500 or so and evaluate your performance. Then decide what your next move should be. My personal opinion is that players should look to add tables before moving up stakes.
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 10:53am) in reply to BonafideAdam

    I had a 19% ROI through 329 $6.50s What I usually did is join all I wanted to at once, sometimes 4, sometimes 8 or 9, most of the time 16 at once, I played till they were all finished, usually took an hour. i now play $16s and have a 25% ROI through 160 playing 8-12 at a time. the number I play in a day depends on how much time I have to play. usually I play anywhere from 1-4 sessions a day, some days zero If I do play more than one session in a day, I will take 15-30 minutes in between for a break... it helps.
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 11:57am) in reply to BonafideAdam

    Count the rake on the investment?

    I thought it was $15 investment win $3 on average means (3-1for rake)/15=ROI?
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 12:24pm) in reply to JWangSDC

    pokerisnice... i have the same average profit than u and ur average stake is x5 mine. Its great you are making money, but play some bigger ones... sit and go's are such slow money. My ROI for 5$ sit and go's is almost 50%, but the thing is my sample size is only a few hundred, and i play 45 mans and now 90 man sit and go's. Either way i think sit and go's that are more than one table are so much more profitable. edit: looks like u were up alot more but u dropped half ur winnings lately. Sorry about that... your stats 200 games ago would crush mine.
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 12:25pm) in reply to doubledave22

    hourly wage is all that matters, his hourly wage is much better than urs i bet
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 12:31pm) in reply to luckybacon

    i guess ur probably right since his take a short amount of time. But i have a 3/5 smaller sample size and i have 2/3 his profit. He probably does make more per hour just because of volume, but i think due to the stakes im playing at im doing pretty well for myself, but yes the competition is MUCH easier.
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 12:53pm) in reply to doubledave22

    geez why are you ppl still talking about ROI??!?! all about $/hr baby
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 1:02pm) in reply to BonafideAdam

    Do the best you can at all times. Do not limit yourself to a specific ROI or play bad because you are satisfied. Go to 2+2 and go to the software forum and there are some programs that help you multitable. Normally I 16-20 table SNG if they fill up fast enough and run it continuously where the PS remember table position helps out a lot. You could easily sustain 15-20% ROI on these. Lets do the math. You should start 10tabling and have a 10% ROI on the 16s. You manage to play 10 an hour. Not sure if ROI includes fee or not but 10% of $15 is 1.50 and then you have to subtract the fee so you make .50 per sng or $5 an hour + fpp which is minimal.

    bottom line- grind it out, grow your BR, play more tables, increase your roi, move up in limits after that.
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 1:08pm) in reply to wuwut666

    Indeed. 6 tabling the $27's I make between $30 - $35 an hour.
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 1:09pm) in reply to lwrunner103

    how does "remember table position" help and what is it? and i guess its tru that the players who play sng's are the tru GRINDAZ of poker( more than MTT's, cash games). it seems the more correct opinion is to focus more on <span>hours played </span>than roi.
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 1:15pm) in reply to BonafideAdam

    " I had a 19% ROI through 329 $6.50s What I usually did is join all I wanted to at once, sometimes 4, sometimes 8 or 9, most of the time 16 at once, I played till they were all finished, usually took an hour. i now play $16s and have a 25% ROI through 160 playing 8-12 at a time. the number I play in a day depends on how much time I have to play. usually I play anywhere from 1-4 sessions a day, some days zero If I do play more than one session in a day, I will take 15-30 minutes in between for a break... it helps."

    That's nothing. Your sample size is nonexistant. I ran a 30% ROI% over 500 SNGs, big deal. That's not a sample size at all. And anybody sporting the idea that they can sustain a "20-30%" ROI at the $6 Turbos over a huge run of games is dreaming.
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    Oct 29th, 2006 (10/29/2006 1:38pm) in reply to JechtSphere

    I put the fact that I only played 300 sngs in there for that reason, I also know my $16s are not even close to a good enough sample size. nowhere did I say it was a big enough sample size. No need to attack me, the guy asked a question, I gave him my answer.
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