QJ on the button, played right?

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  1. Sigma Nu 285 Sigma Nu 285 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 6:45pm)

    PokerStars Game #35408622864: Tournament #219010747, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2009/11/15 18:23:47 ET
    Table '219010747 163' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: weedredpot (1218 in chips)
    Seat 2: Sigma Nu 285 (1365 in chips)
    Seat 3: DORITA112 (1460 in chips)
    Seat 4: lasklinz (4565 in chips)
    Seat 5: aligot76 (2229 in chips)
    Seat 6: red0nd0 (3217 in chips)
    Seat 7: frankfris (2581 in chips)
    Seat 8: SS-Mafik (1435 in chips)
    Seat 9: SAPONICC (1760 in chips)
    DORITA112: posts small blind 20
    lasklinz: posts big blind 40
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Sigma Nu 285 [Qs Jd]
    aligot76: folds
    red0nd0: folds
    frankfris: calls 40
    SS-Mafik: folds
    SAPONICC: folds
    weedredpot: folds
    Sigma Nu 285: calls 40
    DORITA112: folds
    lasklinz: checks
    *** FLOP *** [4c 5s 5h]
    lasklinz: checks
    frankfris: checks
    Sigma Nu 285: checks
    *** TURN *** [4c 5s 5h] [Qd]
    lasklinz: checks
    frankfris: checks
    Sigma Nu 285: bets 120
    lasklinz: calls 120
    frankfris: folds
    *** RIVER *** [4c 5s 5h Qd] [6h]
    lasklinz: bets 320
    Sigma Nu 285: folds
    Uncalled bet (320) returned to lasklinz
    lasklinz collected 380 from pot
    lasklinz: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 380 | Rake 0
    Board [4c 5s 5h Qd 6h]
    Seat 1: weedredpot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Sigma Nu 285 (button) folded on the River
    Seat 3: DORITA112 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: lasklinz (big blind) collected (380)
    Seat 5: aligot76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: red0nd0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: frankfris folded on the Turn
    Seat 8: SS-Mafik folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: SAPONICC folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    I have a lil over 30 bb and limp with QJ. Flop checked around and I hit a Q on the turn. I 3x and he insta calls. He bets big on river and I fold. I was thinking he flopped a set and didnt want to get anymore in there. Two questions, 1 should I just have folded preflop and 2 do I make the call on the river.
  2. genetic genetic is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 8:49pm) in reply to Sigma Nu 285

    Board [4c 5s 5h Qd 6h]

    You all limped for 40. This usually means no one's sitting on a monster (AA, KK, etc) but is by no means a guarantee. Depending on the player, they might limp here even with AQ so it's something to consider.

    Should you have folded QJ Pre? Maybe, but I'd say your bigger mistake was not raising it when you played it. With one limper before you, they're either trapping a monster (less likely) or playing a moderate hand (one similar to yours, or maybe small pair/weak ace) out of position.

    You raise here, if you get reraised - you consider folding. If they flat call, you check the flop -which would be a good place to continuation bet on that particular flop of 4 5 5, and hope you can take it down.

    As far as the river fold, i'd look at it like this.

    The hands you're worried about him having are - 5x, AQ, KQ, 44, 66, 78. These all fall within the limp pre flop range... but some of the hands are reraising hands on the turn, like the 5x. for that particular amount of chips, and the way he played it, it's quite likely he's bluffing a missed draw ... he could've had 76 to begin with .. missed made a pair of sixes and bet it. Or, a worse queen... Q10 for example.

    For 320 chips, you probably should've called since he just flat called you on the turn. to me that screams someone who's still drawing out... and if he got there god bless him.

    BUT that's just how i'd play it im sure others would see it differently.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 8:54pm) in reply to genetic

    ty for the good insight
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  4. odstore odstore is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 11:11pm) in reply to Sigma Nu 285

    Overlimping the button is fine there imo. I mite bet the turn a little less since there really aren't that many hand you're getting value from but I doubt it makes much of a difference. Without reads I probably call river since it's a $1 tourny and I could see him betting a worse Q or even like 77 just cause he doesn't know what to do w/ it.
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