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  1. blueskyguy blueskyguy is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 1:10am)

    The villain has been at the table for 30 hands and has been very active (33/24) amd aggro postflop. Thoughts on this line?

    pokerstars Game #73526336073: Tournament #554020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (500/1000) - 2012/01/08 15:13:37 PT [2012/01/08 18:13:37 ET]
    Table '554020010 524' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: CERBERA86 (57287 in chips)
    Seat 2: aleksey2008 (36502 in chips)
    Seat 3: BC_Pres (50962 in chips)
    Seat 4: gandi19 (14068 in chips)
    Seat 5: stauso (49073 in chips)
    Seat 6: kispeee (9820 in chips)
    Seat 7: ReefinOne (52110 in chips)
    Seat 8: slayer104715 (19763 in chips)
    Seat 9: K.T.A.-1985 (38104 in chips)
    CERBERA86: posts the ante 100
    aleksey2008: posts the ante 100
    BC_Pres: posts the ante 100
    gandi19: posts the ante 100
    stauso: posts the ante 100
    kispeee: posts the ante 100
    ReefinOne: posts the ante 100
    slayer104715: posts the ante 100
    K.T.A.-1985: posts the ante 100
    BC_Pres: posts small blind 500
    gandi19: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BC_Pres [Qs Qh]
    stauso: folds
    kispeee: folds
    ReefinOne: raises 1825 to 2825
    slayer104715: folds
    K.T.A.-1985: folds
    CERBERA86: folds
    aleksey2008: folds
    BC_Pres: raises 4675 to 7500
    gandi19: folds
    ReefinOne: calls 4675
    *** FLOP *** [6h Jd 9c]
    BC_Pres: bets 8450
    ReefinOne: calls 8450
    *** TURN *** [6h Jd 9c] [5c]
    BC_Pres: checks
    ReefinOne: checks
    *** RIVER *** [6h Jd 9c 5c] [Qd]
    BC_Pres: bets 14000
    ReefinOne: raises 22060 to 36060 and is all-in
    BC_Pres: calls 22060 and is all-in
  2. sirjwab sirjwab is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 1:54am) in reply to blueskyguy

    why check the turn?
  3. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 1:57am) in reply to sirjwab

     
    Originally Posted by sirjwab View Post

    why check the turn?


    this...def just bet/call turn

    as played, seems fine...T8 is the only realistic hand you're beat by...i guess he could have KT...but i mean, clearly not folding at any point, if that's what you're asking
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  4. blueskyguy blueskyguy is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 3:24am) in reply to Gags30

    The turn play is my main question. I checked the turn because I had eliminated almost all draws from his range (too tight of a range as it turned out). Although he was active, I had him marked as a decent player. I still had T8s as a possible but I felt I was way ahead or way behind at that point so I was planning to check/call the turn while thinking the only draw I might be helping was the backdoor flush.

    He got there with KcTc. Flawed thinking?
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  5. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 4:22am) in reply to blueskyguy

     
    Originally Posted by blueskyguy View Post

    The turn play is my main question. I checked the turn because I had eliminated almost all draws from his range (too tight of a range as it turned out). Although he was active, I had him marked as a decent player. I still had T8s as a possible but I felt I was way ahead or way behind at that point so I was planning to check/call the turn while thinking the only draw I might be helping was the backdoor flush.

    He got there with KcTc. Flawed thinking?

    even if you eliminated all draws from his range (which would be incorrect, but even if you did)...then you still should be betting the turn. there's a ton of hands that are gonna give you value, and you def need to be getting it in
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  6. blueskyguy blueskyguy is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 4:54am) in reply to Gags30

    Thanks Gags. Appreciate the feedback.
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  7. Unbay2k4 Unbay2k4 is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2012 (1/10/2012 6:32am) in reply to blueskyguy

    *** FLOP *** [6h Jd 9c]
    BC_Pres: bets 8450
    ReefinOne: calls 8450
    *** TURN *** [6h Jd 9c] [5c]
    BC_Pres: checks
    ReefinOne: checks
    *** RIVER *** [6h Jd 9c 5c] [Qd]
    BC_Pres: bets 14000
    ReefinOne: raises 22060 to 36060 and is all-in
    BC_Pres: calls 22060 and is all-in

    So you 3bet preflop...fine.... cbet the flop....good..... then when you seen a rag on the turn you check?! That doesn't make sense. You now have zero information on where you are on the river. Anyways let's see how this goes.....
    Haha exactly my point.....hey you dug your own grave on this hand. You bet the river, so your stuck calling to see what he has. If you didn't like the river you could check call any reasonable bet and maybe fold to a shove.
     
  8. ACgaming ACgaming is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2012 (1/10/2012 12:57pm) in reply to Unbay2k4

     
    Originally Posted by Unbay2k4 View Post

    So you 3bet preflop...fine.... cbet the flop....good..... then when you seen a rag on the turn you check?! That doesn't make sense. You now have zero information on where you are on the river. Anyways let's see how this goes.....
    Haha exactly my point.....hey you dug your own grave on this hand. You bet the river, so your stuck calling to see what he has. If you didn't like the river you could check call any reasonable bet and maybe fold to a shove.

    He didn't dig his own grave, even if he bet the turn the villian isn't going anywhere.. And lol at c/f that river, would be terrible.

    Only thing you could do different is to bet turn, only way I would check is with some very specific history with the villian.

    Hand played itself, UL
    Edited By: ACgaming Jan 10th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
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  9. whitespur whitespur is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2012 (1/13/2012 10:10pm) in reply to ACgaming

    You started the hand with just under 51 bb.......it's just a bad spot but I agree that betting the turn is better than checking. Check call the river and hate it most of the time but probably don't have to go broke.
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    Jan 14th, 2012 (1/14/2012 12:48am) in reply to whitespur

    I don't see why checking the turn is so bad. Villain's range is so wide given his image and he's surely going to bet the turn a really high % of the time. Isn't it going to be easier to get more chips in on the turn by check/shoving it? Gets more value out of air hands, small/mid pairs etc that he might just fold to another barrel.
  11. sirjwab sirjwab is offline

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    Jan 15th, 2012 (1/15/2012 6:52am) in reply to Trembath29

    Because checking in the turn allows him to check back and put you in a really bad/awkward spot on the river (as you can see)
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