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QQ on a 7high board....50bb's deep

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  1. dscroggs4 dscroggs4 is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 1:30pm)

    pokerstars Game #28453793420: Tournament #163920863, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2009/05/21 12:44:42 ET
    Table '163920863 3' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: mill88mike (27165 in chips)
    Seat 2: FouTight (54687 in chips)
    Seat 3: colberon (64081 in chips)
    Seat 4: prrrak4783 (32130 in chips)
    Seat 5: jfreeby13 (53481 in chips)
    Seat 6: StrandB (21382 in chips)
    Seat 7: D.Scroggins (39811 in chips)
    Seat 8: EXPEDYS 69 (35355 in chips)
    Seat 9: lamma888 (29298 in chips)
    mill88mike: posts the ante 75
    FouTight: posts the ante 75
    colberon: posts the ante 75
    prrrak4783: posts the ante 75
    jfreeby13: posts the ante 75
    StrandB: posts the ante 75
    D.Scroggins: posts the ante 75
    EXPEDYS 69: posts the ante 75
    lamma888: posts the ante 75
    FouTight: posts small blind 400
    colberon: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to D.Scroggins [Qs Qh]
    prrrak4783: folds
    jfreeby13: folds
    StrandB: folds
    D.Scroggins: raises 1195 to 1995
    EXPEDYS 69: folds
    lamma888: folds
    mill88mike: calls 1995
    FouTight: calls 1595
    colberon: folds
    *** FLOP *** [5c 7d 6d]
    FouTight: checks
    D.Scroggins: bets 4595
    mill88mike: raises 20500 to 25095 and is all-in
    FouTight: folds
    D.Scroggins: ????

    i mean... how often is this a fold/call..... to a huge overshove.....
     
  2. woertink woertink is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 1:31pm) in reply to dscroggs4

    this is a fold never.
  3. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 1:36pm) in reply to woertink

     
    Originally Posted by woertink View Post

    this is a fold never.

    he has 88 or 99 or some other combo draw way more than he has you beat
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  4. jmrockets32 jmrockets32 is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 1:37pm) in reply to woertink

    im going to say almost always he has kq diamonds or like A8 AT AJ diamonds ect. Set is out of the question, if he somehow does have it, UL. Cant fold.
  5. Charlamaigne Charlamaigne is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 1:38pm) in reply to woertink

    I think you have to call here. I dont think he is flatting KK/AA here pre and you gotta believe he would have tried to get more value out of any set. I think his range is 88-JJ, and diamond draw. I get it in
  6. Strong Play Strong Play is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 1:47pm) in reply to Charlamaigne

    [ ] 50bb deep
  7. Crazyhorse76 Crazyhorse76 is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 1:58pm) in reply to jmrockets32

     
    Originally Posted by jmrockets32 View Post


    im going to say almost always he has kq diamonds or like A8 AT AJ diamonds ect. Set is out of the question, if he somehow does have it, UL. Cant fold.

    Set shouldn't be out of the question if the guy has a clue. Set has to raise this board not just because of the draws that could beat him, but because half the deck will kill any action.
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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 3:28pm) in reply to Strong Play

     
    Originally Posted by Strong Play View Post

    [ ] 50bb deep

    40,000/800= 50

    OP meant hes 50 BBs deep, cool box though.
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  9. RahgStan RahgStan is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 4:18pm) in reply to negativeROI

    I think he has some sort of combo draw, or even a medium pair with a gutshot and he is simply trying to bet you out.2 pair I'm not worried about hardly ever here.Since this is posted I'm going to take a shot in the dark this is the time he had you beat after you called?
  10. dscroggs4 dscroggs4 is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 5:50pm) in reply to dscroggs4

    Yeah he ended up having top set...but afterwords i put some thought into it.....and was running some math and after i thought about it...i figured to look @ it like this

    his range is is obv a set 55-77.... 44 88 is possible 99-JJ possible KK-AA possible

    i don't think he's going to have AQdd or AKdd since i doubt he's flatting pre but maybe so i included all Ace's he might flat with suited and even put in A8dd.... TJdd QJdd KQdd all possible...so basically his range if super wide is....about 19 hands

    of those i have 5 of the 19 i'm crushed.....

    2 of the 19 TT-JJ i've got him crushed....

    1 of the 19 99 i'm pretty well favored...

    and the other 11 i'm going to be @ best about a 62% favorite and actually more than half of those closer to 55%ish....

    so i guess i was really just curious to hear responses.... i think strength of field has to be factored in also.... with 300ish people left in a 1500 person tourney (weak field) with 50bb's your obv in good shape.... i think the key is to look @ this spot closer and think....do you wanna basically be slightly better than a coin flip to get a monster stack with 300 people left....already stacked @ 50bb's...

    IDK that's why i posted
     
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