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  1. EyeKnows EyeKnows is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:09pm)

    <SPAN>I have no reads, just moved to this table, how do you play this hand in the $8 rebuy? </SPAN>

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    <SPAN>pokerstars Game #11464969967: Tournament #57909052, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/08/13 - 11:43:02 (ET)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Table '57909052 37' 9-max Seat #4 is the button</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 1: pcal54 (12757 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 2: automatic111 (10010 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 3: EyeKnows (10648 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 4: Sirdan911 (3071 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 5: JAMAJESTY (17205 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 6: berniebugman (28733 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 7: ssnarf (11230 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 8: ¶ChäseK. (9155 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 9: GSZUCA (9185 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>pcal54: posts the ante 25</SPAN>

    <SPAN>automatic111: posts the ante 25</SPAN>

    <SPAN>EyeKnows: posts the ante 25</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Sirdan911: posts the ante 25</SPAN>

    <SPAN>JAMAJESTY: posts the ante 25</SPAN>

    <SPAN>berniebugman: posts the ante 25</SPAN>

    <SPAN>ssnarf: posts the ante 25</SPAN>

    <SPAN>¶ChäseK.: posts the ante 25</SPAN>

    <SPAN>GSZUCA: posts the ante 25</SPAN>

    <SPAN>JAMAJESTY: posts small blind 150</SPAN>

    <SPAN>berniebugman: posts big blind 300</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** HOLE CARDS ***</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Dealt to EyeKnows [Qc Qs]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>ssnarf: folds </SPAN>

    <SPAN>¶ChäseK.: raises 600 to 900</SPAN>

    <SPAN>GSZUCA: folds </SPAN>

    <SPAN>pcal54: raises 1500 to 2400</SPAN>

    <SPAN>automatic111: folds </SPAN>

    <SPAN>EyeKnows: ?</SPAN>
  2. EyeKnows EyeKnows is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:24pm) in reply to EyeKnows

    I guess what I am asking is can I just call here with position or re-raise? Or is it 100% shove?
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  3. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:31pm) in reply to EyeKnows

    you could flat call and re-evaluate after flop i dont think it would be that bad of a play but i still think you gotta stick in a 4bet and if they shove prolly not much you can do but call and hope they got 10s,Js,the other Qs or AK.
     
  4. Cuthroat187 Cuthroat187 is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:42pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    Good question, not sure exactly what the best play is, I say it is push or fold situation but would like to see what others think
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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:46pm) in reply to Cuthroat187

    I really think the play here is fold. I think if you push the best you are gonna be is like a 52/48, 60-40. you have a decent stack, so you can have chips to play with, no reason to invest in a flop that is more than likely gonna suck for you. squeeze play an option but i think your getting called here if you do that.
  6. tom44411 tom44411 is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:52pm) in reply to EyeKnows

    i think the reraiser wants action....he didnt make too big of a reraise but i think you can call this.......see a flop but if theres a push pre youre out of there
     
  7. Shaaarrrp Shaaarrrp is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:53pm) in reply to Sweetness777

    You do realize its impossible for QQ to be 52/48 against any single hand, right?
     
  8. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 1:09pm) in reply to tom44411

    I think its push or Fold. Flat calling is the worst play of the three options in IMO.
  9. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 1:11pm) in reply to EyeKnows

    Standard push/fold spot. It is really really player dependent. pcal54's range has to be TT+ AK or wider to be ahead of his range (you have like 52% equity vs this range), while completely ignoring the chanace of the initial raiser having a big hand.

    I think I fold here much more often than not, but i f you have reason to assign a re-raise range that includes probably like 88+ AQ+ for pcal54, its a shove. Definitely very very player dependent.
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  10. evilCrusher evilCrusher is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 1:17pm) in reply to EyeKnows

  11. Briguy9999 Briguy9999 is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 1:32pm) in reply to evilCrusher

    This situation is really not very similar at all. Easy call IMO.
  12. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 1:37pm) in reply to evilCrusher

    This situation isn't similar at all :(
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  13. evilCrusher evilCrusher is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 1:40pm) in reply to SCTrojans

    oops, sorry.. removed
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