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  1. SmileyLSU SmileyLSU is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 9:26am)

    This is an 11+ Sunday Million satellite. There are 8 to go and 6 get the prize. I am currently in 6th place. I have been trying to work on my satellite play since the ME satellites are right around the corner. I have consistenly been doing fairly well in these sorts of torneys, but I believe this is a leak in my game. I understand that best case scenario, you never want to get all your chips in the middle during a satellite. However, this is a very active table. Anyone who attempted to just "raise" (minus the big stack) was getting re-shoved every time. I believe that if I just raise here, I am going to get shoved (even not knowing their hand) 75% of the time. Right now I am no way secured a seat. What would you do in this position? Should I have open folded? Should I have raised and then folded to her shove? Should I have tried to limp? OR - should I have played it as I did and just ended up UL in a race? Also, is it +EV to make this all in call with 99? Any input is greatly appreciated :) Thanks

    pokerstars Game #15091281347: Tournament #76053452, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2008/02/05 - 23:19:31 (ET)
    Table '76053452 4' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: jodecijojo (25460 in chips)
    Seat 2: Dangeramo (47646 in chips)
    Seat 3: CaLLitARUSH (12585 in chips)
    Seat 4: whiskers199 (5624 in chips)
    Seat 5: Bellama (55522 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 6: daandeleo (32706 in chips)
    Seat 7: sugarchuck (28922 in chips)
    Seat 8: SmileyLSU (19535 in chips)
    jodecijojo: posts the ante 100
    Dangeramo: posts the ante 100
    CaLLitARUSH: posts the ante 100
    whiskers199: posts the ante 100
    Bellama: posts the ante 100
    daandeleo: posts the ante 100
    sugarchuck: posts the ante 100
    SmileyLSU: posts the ante 100
    SmileyLSU: posts small blind 1000
    jodecijojo: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to SmileyLSU [Ad Jd]
    Dangeramo: folds
    CaLLitARUSH: folds
    whiskers199: folds
    Bellama: folds
    daandeleo: folds
    sugarchuck: folds
    SmileyLSU: raises 17435 to 19435 and is all-in
    jodecijojo: calls 17435
    *** FLOP *** [Td 4s 7s]
    *** TURN *** [Td 4s 7s] [6c]
    *** RIVER *** [Td 4s 7s 6c] [2h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    SmileyLSU: shows [Ad Jd] (high card Ace)
    jodecijojo: shows [9s 9h] (a pair of Nines)
    jodecijojo collected 39670 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 39670 | Rake 0
    Board [Td 4s 7s 6c 2h]
    Seat 1: jodecijojo (big blind) showed [9s 9h] and won (39670) with a pair of Nines
    Seat 2: Dangeramo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: CaLLitARUSH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: whiskers199 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Bellama folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: daandeleo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: sugarchuck (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: SmileyLSU (small blind) showed [Ad Jd] and lost with high card Ace
  2. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 9:30am) in reply to SmileyLSU

    Well, you can last about 3 orbits if you just sit and blind out, if you want to go that route, but chances are this is a great spot to pick up chips IMO....Obviously the other guy wants to risk 19k of his 25k stack on a coinflip...UL it held
  3. Langer25 Langer25 is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 9:34am) in reply to bef99hwk

    Shove everytime.... that is all...
  4. djelove djelove is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 9:50am) in reply to SmileyLSU

    pretty standard - you can't really raise and fold here, and since it is Blind v. Blind you only have to get past one player. pretty standard shove and also standard call - I would call with pretty much any pair above 44 and Ace-face. HOWEVER since you are 6th and 6 get seats (and CL is sitting out) it's probably better to play super-tight here and just complete pre-flop and fold to his certain shove, esp since the other two shortys will be in the blinds in a couple of hands and will have to play for all their chips sooooon, and you should be able to out-survive them. very very tough spot.
  5. CraftyCal CraftyCal is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 10:34am) in reply to djelove

    i agree with that guys ^ second option, just complete and then fold, theres no reason to risk going broke when there is another player pretty much on the ropes and another a fair bit behind you in terms of chip stacks. Satellites are about getting a seat, you are currently in position to get a seat, i don't think you should risk your seat on a marginal hand like AJoff.
  6. specv318 specv318 is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 10:37am) in reply to SmileyLSU

    In the long run, you'll pick up the blinds and antes here with your push. You made the right play since you didn't feel like you could slide into a seat. (Since I'm a nit, I'd consider folding here because I believe I'm in pretty good shape to get a seat...but that's a whole different issue.)

    As far as calling with 99 goes, it is +EV for the same reason your push is +EV; both beat the range of hands the other could hold (ie your AJ beats a random hand, and his 99 beats the range you could push with here).

    In a satty though, I'd fold 99 with his stack in this scenario because I don't need to win the tourney...I just need a seat. With a 25k stack in this position, I'd just fold to a seat unless I obviously have a monster holding or my stack starts to dwindle in relation to other stacks.

    Hopefully that answers your question.
  7. SmileyLSU SmileyLSU is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 11:13am) in reply to specv318

    Thanks for all of the responses. I almost just completed and then folded to the shove, but I felt that if I shoved here, that the other guy would really only be able to call me with AA or another monster since he is basically borderline guaranteed a spot, my stack could cripple him, and there were two other shorties. I go out of a lot of tournaments like this, so I wasn't so sure the shove was as standard as I originally thought it was.
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  8. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 11:37am) in reply to SmileyLSU

    Isn't that a standard shove and a bad call? How can calling off with 99 here be a good call?
  9. specv318 specv318 is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 6:09pm) in reply to kmil420

    It's a +EV play against the OP's range, but it's most definitely a bad play on the satty bubble.

    Edit: Sorry for the confusion here. I was talking about the call with 99.
  10. ibluffheaps ibluffheaps is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 7:27pm) in reply to specv318

    "It's a +EV play against the OP's range, but it's most definitely a bad play on the satty bubble."

    No... Wrong...

    Shove every time... Unless you beleive he will call you with K9+ Ax+ 22+ Which he shouldnt.. In fact he should probably only call you with AA or KK maybe QQ

    Allmost allways u need to shove here... Forget that u had Aj... If he is reasonably tight as he should be u should be shoving ATC...

    The way i look at it if u pick up this pot you can sit back and wait till
    A. You are short again
    B. The others get eliminated and you get a seat.
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  11. MonkeyCowboy MonkeyCowboy is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2008 (2/6/2008 10:04pm) in reply to SmileyLSU

    This is a tough one. I have no problem with your shove although I doubt I shove there. His call is reall loose and a hugh leak if he plays alot of sattys (I have seen him around latley)

    Wiskers is really short stacked so I would wait till he gets knocked out before making a move like this. The other short stack will be blinded in before you so I think ZI would tend to just fold here.

    If this table is as active as you say it is then someone will make a mistake or get sucked out on.

    In this spot I would sit tight a look for the others to take each other out,
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