Would it be collusion if you said 'careful i only need an 8 or better to call'?

It sounds to me like aaron here was having a bad day. If he thought the comment was innappropriate he should have said so, not labeled you a cheater. Being labeled a cheater takes away the integrity of your game.

Anyways, I don't think the comment was innapproriate, people trash talk like that in real life all the time.

I would not go as far as calling you a cheater, however If your not in the hand, you should not be talking. Especially when there is an all-in.

So were you wrong? Yes.. are you a cheater? no.

just dont say anything next time to avoid this obviouslly

Your mistake was in edumacating the rest of the table on proper defense against short stack play. If you must teach folks, start an online poker training site and charge for it......

M

Personally, I don't think Aawwnutz said anything wrong. Whether it's technically against the rules or spirit of the game, I don't know.

But the main reason, I think it's fine is this - Aaawnutz clearly wasn't trying to collude, he was making a comment to get into Aaron's head (which apparently he did). What Aaawnutz said wasn't a straightforward description of his true calling range, it was a comment designed to create a table image and make the other players think twice before messing with his blinds. Just because he makes this statement doesn't mean he will call with King-high.

And that's what makes poker great - you have to figure out what your opponent is doing and why - he may say one thing but act another way...but if he knows you know that he knows that you know...etc etc etc...

And if I was Aaron, I wouldn't mind. The more your opponents talk, the more info they're giving you (even if it's unintentional subtext)

In a Paradise tourney, I was the BB and Aaron was the button or c/o. Aaron pushes all-in for probably a little over 4xBB.

In a Paradise tourney, I was the BB and Aaron was the button or c/o. Aaron pushes all-in for probably a little over 4xBB.

In a Paradise tourney, I was the BB and Aaron was the button or c/o. Aaron pushes all-in for probably a little over 4xBB.

<span>It's cheating to discuss your calling range in front of the whole table.</span>

Says who? It's cheating to deal from bottom of a deck. It's cheating to look at someone else's cards. It's cheating to collude.

It's now cheating to say something? --- something that may or may not even be true (like poker players always tell the truth, you know). And even if it is stating a key strategy you use, to the whole table, then you would only be hurting yourself by letting everyone know your "secrets".

<span>Collusion?</span> This guy must have a beef with you about something in the past that somehow you sparked. I guess.

I think you are all exactly right.... I see it all the time where the small blind raises all in to the BB and they say "King High I'm calling" It is not cheating whatsoever, and ActionJeff was out of line on his statements about Mr. Nutz. ActionJeff, I respect you a lot, and subscribe to cardrunners and watch your SNG strategy but I respectfully disagree with you on this case.

The only thing remotely wrong about it was when Nutz said "I was just trying to help you out". It gives the perception that you he was actually trying to be on Aaron's side when obviouisly you could care less about helping him out.... you just wanted him to think twice before pushing.

Also, Nutz probably wouldn't call an all in next time around with K 2 offsuit, so it may not even be the truth. Is it cheating when I make a huge bluff and get someone to fold and when he asks what I had, i tell him "the nuts"? No its not cheating... Your goal at the table is to have people perceive you the way that benefits you the most, and if you need to say things to help gain that advantage then do it all day long!

You did nothin wrong! If anything using the word "collusion" in his reply would seem to cause an outburst at the table. Peolpe here "collusion" and they freak when online!
Just another young kid chirpin, wouldnt worry about it. I do like beens game though.

I would tilt on him and put him all every time he bet.

it may or may not work, but would be fun!

I'll be the first one to disagree here but maybe for another reason than why aaron got mad.... i think it is inappropriate because other players at the table might not realize how wide of a range he is pushing with only four BB's...after seeing your remark they may take it into account and widen their calling range.....although the word CHEATING is a bit harsh.

If indeed this was the situation:
AB pushes all in and AwwNutz was LAST TO ACT in the BB, then......

You weren't wrong AwwNutz. You were last to act. If there was another player behind you, then yea, you would have been in a heap of wrong.

I won't make any assumptions about what AB was doing or was trying to do..but I doubt there was any calculation behind his behavior. He was just being immature/ignorant/rude, which we all can be (to varying degrees) from time to time....especially when we are not doing so hot on the tables.

AwwNutz was last to act in the hand, he had the BB

AwwNutz was in the BB.

AwwNutz was last to act.

Hopefully no one misses this point before writing a response.

I guess I'll just write down the names of everyone posting in this thread. Then next time when one of you is in the sb and jeff is in the big blind we'll work out exactly how often he calls that way I can take YOUR small blind with impunity. We'll even do it in the public chat if it will make you feel any better.

Does NO ONE understand that any discussion of a situation where more than two players have hole cards and there is money in the pot is dangerously close to collusion? What if nutz had told me he needs ace king or a good pair to call me? Then I would be shoving every time and the sb would never get the chance to open shove himself. Nutz and I would be effectively splitting his money (me the times I stole and nutz the times he woke up with a hand).

The fact that he said something vague about any king may show that he did not intend to cheat but I considered the behavior itself highly unethical. I responded in all caps because someone (I think it was nutz) had been typing to me in all caps and I just wanted to mock what you were saying. I wasn't filled with rage at the transgression of saying you liked king high. I certainly wasn't in a bad mood- I haven't had a bad week at poker since march. I'm sorry if I gave the impression I was angry.

In case anyone is wondering <span>I do not consider AawwNutz to be a player who intentionally or frequently engages in any kind of unethical behavior to gain an advantage over his opponents.</span> I'm sorry if I didn't explain it detail to you right away, I thought it would be obvious that I considered discussing how you would play against me to be collusion.

Good luck at the tables,
Aaron

What if he wasn't telling the truth and would not call you with K high?

Who cares if someone wants to educate other people at the table. There is nothing wrong with it. I will often say things like and the STEALING continues so that the donkeys at my table will call the guy running over the table or try and slow him down. THere is nothing wrong with trying to slow someone down by making a comment like that.

It's legal... but keep in mind that Aaron may have been using all the tools available to him as well ;)... its possible that he didnt want you to further comment like this so this is how he decided to stop it