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  1. lyttlemoney lyttlemoney is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 1:30pm)

    Is it easier to win consistantly in MTTs that have 120 skilled players (i.e. 109r), or to win $10 or $20 MTTS with 1300 less skilled players? When I say "win", Im not necessarily talking about 1st place. Im just talking about winning money overall.

    Like top 5 in $10 and $20 versus final tabling 109r.

    EDIT: CHNGING THE NAME OF THE THREAD FROM "QUESTION FOR ANYBODY RANKED IN THE TOP 20 P5s RANKINGS" TO "QUESTION FOR ANYBODY RANKED"...WAY TO CONTROVERSIAL....LOL
  2. tiltyjoker tiltyjoker is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 1:35pm) in reply to lyttlemoney

    $10's and $20's....... im not top 20 but i feel the top 20,000 should have a say as well. ;/
     
  3. doomed222 doomed222 is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 1:43pm) in reply to tiltyjoker

    ^^ what he said for sure

    you dont have to be ranked to know that
  4. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 1:57pm) in reply to lyttlemoney

    Any low level donk could tell you the $10s are easier than the $100s.

    It's marginal play vs. top-notch play.
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:00pm) in reply to doomed222

    I always like the analogy of bar fighting in this case.

    In the 10s and 20s its like being in bar fight with 10 Richard Simmons at once.

    In the higher buy ins its like there is a line of the best fighters around, and you're taking them mostly one on one. They include Mike Tyson in his prime, Ali in his prime, and so on. Throw in a UFC fighter if you want. They're waiting in line to kick your ass.

    I personally think it would be easier to take on 10 Richard Simmons at this point in my skill level. As I get better, however, I'll fight against the better fighters for more money.

    I guess the moral of the story is, beat up Richard Simmons.
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:01pm) in reply to jackaaron

    Great visual.
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:07pm) in reply to Jennifear

    How come I really don't see a difference?

    In the $20s you get 2-3 good players at your table

    At a standard 100 tournament on party you get the same thing...

    The 109 rebuy is a special circumstance though.
     
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:15pm) in reply to lyttlemoney

    in terms of ROI, $10 and $20 are way easier. In terms of making the final table of the 100r vs making the final table (or top 5) of a 1k person $10 tourney, the 109r is WAY easier
     
  9. lyttlemoney lyttlemoney is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:16pm) in reply to Jennifear

    well....i preciate ur input, but Im leaning in the opposite direction. Thats why I want to hear from top notch players.

    The reason for my thinking, is that most people, even pros, sit back and "nut peddle"....They play premium hands, or they tangle with the short stacks with marginal hands. Either level, you have to catch cards, but I would like my chances winning against any 120 players, versus 1300.

    Also, the better player recognize top plays...a low level donk thinks a check raise means that you missed your hand, but then shove trying to scare eveyone off. Therefore, you cant bluff a donk, but you can pull a couple of fancy plays on a pro.

    Just a thought,
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  10. lyttlemoney lyttlemoney is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:18pm) in reply to Funkii

    EXACTLY!!! I knew it...you have to put up more to buy in, but you will make more money, but not necessarily have a better ROI.
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:25pm) in reply to lyttlemoney

    When you posted this you should've put...Question for anybody who agrees with me.
     
  12. lyttlemoney lyttlemoney is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:26pm) in reply to pageh656

    not really...i only care about what top players think. Not low level donks like myself. I know my opinion, but i want to hear from someone who really knows about this topic.
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:32pm) in reply to lyttlemoney

    I kinda agree with you on this one.. For alot of reasons, 1 simply the numbers.. I dont care how good you are. Its harder to beat 1300 people than 100 people. Look at the WSOP ME this year.. Only 1 top pro made it to FT.
  14. mahgnislaw mahgnislaw is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:46pm) in reply to AFink93

    They asked this same Question to every pro that stopped by the booth at the PPV last night in the main. And everyone had the same answer that it was harder to beat the field of 8700 of pure mixed skills than 10 years ago when you had to beat 100 pros.
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:52pm) in reply to lyttlemoney

    109s on party are soft, i ask myself alot of times where the fuck do some of these people keep getting their money from to be playing 100$ tourneys
     
  16. lyttlemoney lyttlemoney is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:56pm) in reply to mahgnislaw

    yeah...thats what sparked my interest...I guess i need a bigger roll to make any real money. I finshed 3rd in a $10 MTT (1300 players) and 6th in a $20 MTT (550 players), but havent made a FT since. That was a week ago. I've been playing good, but if I lose to another 2 outer im going to commit myself to a mental institute.

    2 more decent cashed in these low level MTTs, and I may give a couple of big buyins a go. Who knows...

    Also, you can take down a 109r in like 4 hours...versus like 3 days in a 3.30r on stars
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 2:58pm) in reply to darkcheck_

    yeah, but party cant even keep a tourney going for more than an hour. F party, their infrastructure sucks. Ill never play there again
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 3:05pm) in reply to jackaaron

    rank jackaaron
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 3:09pm) in reply to lyttlemoney

    Bax OWNS! Nuff said, kill the thread.
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 3:12pm) in reply to Wein

    wein can only beat freerolls
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 3:18pm) in reply to GordonGekko

    obv...but that comments not relevant to this thread...gg
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  22. Adam Adam is offline Emperor

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 4:25pm) in reply to lyttlemoney

    No, that's not what funkii was saying at all. Do you think everyone who plays the 109R's makes money? The truth is, very very few of them do. Many winning online tourney players stay away from the 100 rebuys because they're so hard to beat.

    In 1000 person tournaments, there is a lot more room for winners. Funkii was saying that you'll make the final table more often in a 120 person tournament than in a 1000 person tournament. Just because you make the final table more often doesn't mean you're gonna make more money, or make money at all. If you're a patient, solid tournament player, even without getting particularly creative, it's pretty easy to make consistent money in the $10 and $20 tournaments online.
     
  23. isuck123 isuck123 is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 4:30pm) in reply to lyttlemoney

    gfy
    i wont answer due to your 'title'
    i dont qualify at 28
    have a nice day
     
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 4:35pm) in reply to wowswift

    and himself
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 4:42pm) in reply to isuck123

    BTW: if i played 'to cash' IMO i would cash in 90% or HIGHER of freezeout tournies $20 and lower. Same thing cannott be done in the 55 and 109 rebuys
     
  26. McStraddle McStraddle is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 4:46pm) in reply to isuck123

    lyttlemoney u know some of the top twenty are actually losing players. I hope you understand that next time you call them out to help you
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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 4:47pm) in reply to McStraddle

    Who are the losing players?
  28. CP_MagiciaN CP_MagiciaN is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 4:50pm) in reply to Fitz420

    I couldn't help but laugh that someone said "top notch play" in the $100 buys. HAHAHA.
     
  29. dionysian dionysian is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 4:52pm) in reply to isuck123

    90% is a bold statement
  30. isuck123 isuck123 is offline

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    Aug 11th, 2006 (8/11/2006 4:54pm) in reply to dionysian

    SOmeone comes up with enough $ to make it worth my while....ill do a contest to prove it with an over/under of say 60% cashing.......
    i HATE anything under $150 buy in so it REALLY needs to be worth my while
     
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