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  1. I play cash at 50, 100, 200 and 400nl. I have a small profit over 250k hands. I was just wondering how other cash game players' stats look on HEM. Here's mine and would love to hear some opinions from some cash game grinders. Thank you in advance.

    bb/100 1.05
    vpip 10.4
    PFR %: 7.9
    3bet % 4.1
    WTSD % 33.1
    W$SD% 54.2
    AGG 2.76
    AGG% 27.5
    PFR/VPIP RATIO 76.7
    W$ AT sHOWDOWN $14,286.65

    Please let me know which stats should be improved. thanks

    bump for info. come on guys i know there are plenty of cash game grinders on this forum.
     
  2. Is this 6-max or full-ring?
  3. sorry its full ring
     
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  4. vpip 10.4
    PFR %: 7.9

    you're playing VERY tight. your steal % must be very low. try raising more hands from late position. It's going to be hard to win much at 200+ playing this tight.
  5. steal % at 21.5
     
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  6. u cant tell anything by these stats other than ur a nit
  7. You are stealing extremly low..you should be at least 35. You not stealing enough and this might be a good oportunity to improve your win rate. It also gives you the experience to play postflop vs the blind in this kind of situations and you will sharp your game.

    You are playing very tight and you are going to the showdown a lot. Try opening your ranges a bit. Specially in late position.
    Let me see your aggresions frequencies by street. I suspect you are playing kind of passive and check calling some marginal hands.

    Also look for your stats SB folded to steal SB reraise to steal BB folded to steal and BB reraise to steal
  8.  
    Originally Posted by srooney3 View Post

    u cant tell anything by these stats other than ur a nit

    Thanks for your useless response. GTFO of my thread .
     
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  9.  
    Originally Posted by NarcoCop View Post

    Thanks for your useless response. GTFO of my thread .


    sry, im 100% serious. the stats u have listed are basically useless without knowing a gagillion other things.

    the only for sure thing i can tell u is ur a nit who doesnt 3b wide. and yes ur stealing % is low
    Edited By: srooney3 Sep 3rd, 2010 at 03:46 AM
  10. I dont think your stealing percent is terrible but i bet you dont 3 bet enough. Also, when you do 3bet people know you have the nuts and only fish will pay you off. Do you have problems folding overpair?

    Edit: Just saw 4.1%. 3 bet more vs. late position raises.
    Edited By: slks Sep 3rd, 2010 at 04:01 AM
  11. flop agg % : 34.3
    turn agg % : 26.2
    river agg %: 13.6

     
    Originally Posted by slks View Post

    I dont think your stealing percent is terrible but i bet you dont 3 bet enough. Also, when you do 3bet people know you have the nuts and only fish will pay you off. Do you have problems folding overpair?

    Edit: Just saw 4.1%. 3 bet more vs. late position raises.

    Ty for the info , very helpful. I have to open up my game a little more.
     
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  12. I have to agree that you are playing too tight but it is a difficult dance b/w too aggressive and too tight. Takes some experimenting but is also player dependent.
    Edited By: slks Sep 3rd, 2010 at 04:07 AM
  13. Your stats would be great if they were one street later. Let me explain

    Turn: 34.3
    river 26.2

    Basically, you should have something like this:

    Flop: 40-45
    Turn: 30-35
    River: 20-25

    Please take no offense in what i am about to say, but you are playing a weak tight style.
    On a positive note, if you were making money playing like this, imagine how much you can win when you fix your leaks.
    Edited By: el arracachero Sep 3rd, 2010 at 02:51 PM
  14. Sorry to ask but what do all the numbers mean?
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    Originally Posted by NarcoCop View Post

    flop agg % : 34.3
    turn agg % : 26.2
    river agg %: 13.6

    Too passive on the end, looks like you may be checking down more than you should. Check/calling to induce is fine vs. the right villains, but you're probably missing good value bet spots along the way.

    In the words of BalugaWhale, if you want to double your win rate, double your river value bets.
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    Originally Posted by Hitman View Post

    Too passive on the end, looks like you may be checking down more than you should. Check/calling to induce is fine vs. the right villains, but you're probably missing good value bet spots along the way.

    In the words of BalugaWhale, if you want to double your win rate, double your river bluffs.

    FYP...am i way off here ???, im mean semi-bluffs too, but just considering we have to have a some kind of a hand to value bet river, let alone double the time.
    Edited By: racer Sep 3rd, 2010 at 04:40 PM
  17. No, I think you're right that people don't bluff the river enough in general. His point though was that people fail to extract value on the river far too often in spots where they should clearly be value betting. That's especially true in live smaller stakes where so many players are showdown monkeys. But in general players tend to miss a lot of value on the river with good but not great made hands for fear of getting raised and not knowing what to do then, but the fact is (at least at the limits the OP posted) not many people are bluff-raising the river, most players when they raise the river are polarized to big hands and air, and since many don't bluff enough on the end, until you note someone is capable of it, they're probably not. More advanced players will merge their range in these spots to get value from bluff catchers, but you don't see much of that below 400 or maybe 200 NL, and you'll usually only see it consistently from your solid winning regs.
  18.  
    Originally Posted by Hitman View Post

    No, I think you're right that people don't bluff the river enough in general. His point though was that people fail to extract value on the river far too often in spots where they should clearly be value betting. That's especially true in live smaller stakes where so many players are showdown monkeys. But in general players tend to miss a lot of value on the river with good but not great made hands for fear of getting raised and not knowing what to do then, but the fact is (at least at the limits the OP posted) not many people are bluff-raising the river, most players when they raise the river are polarized to big hands and air, and since many don't bluff enough on the end, until you note someone is capable of it, they're probably not. More advanced players will merge their range in these spots to get value from bluff catchers, but you don't see much of that below 400 or maybe 200 NL, and you'll usually only see it consistently from your solid winning regs.

    What stakes you play hitman?
    You always write good stuff it sounds you are a solid player.

    Also, I recently created a post regarding the best situations the check raise the turn instead of double barreling.
    I will be happy if you drop by and contribute there!
    Edited By: el arracachero Sep 3rd, 2010 at 08:40 PM
  19. Normally for cash games you should post on 2+2, because this site is comprised of mostly MTTers, but the advice heres been good so far.
  20. O
     
    Originally Posted by Hitman View Post

    No, I think you're right that people don't bluff the river enough in general. His point though was that people fail to extract value on the river far too often in spots where they should clearly be value betting. That's especially true in live smaller stakes where so many players are showdown monkeys. But in general players tend to miss a lot of value on the river with good but not great made hands for fear of getting raised and not knowing what to do then, but the fact is (at least at the limits the OP posted) not many people are bluff-raising the river, most players when they raise the river are polarized to big hands and air, and since many don't bluff enough on the end, until you note someone is capable of it, they're probably not. More advanced players will merge their range in these spots to get value from bluff catchers, but you don't see much of that below 400 or maybe 200 NL, and you'll usually only see it consistently from your solid winning regs.

    Very good info. Much appreciated. I knew that I have to start extracting more value by betting the river more often vs the right opponents. I guess I can say that I don't bet the river some of the time with good or marginal hands because of all the regs I go up against in those stakes. Most regs won't pay you off on the river unless they have your good or marginal hand beat. Just another thought. On the other hand I should do it more often vs other players that are capable of calling me lighter

     
    Originally Posted by el arracachero View Post

    Your stats would be great if they were one street later. Let me explain

    Turn: 34.3
    river 26.2

    Basically, you should have something like this:

    Flop: 40-45
    Turn: 30-35
    River: 20-25

    Please take no offense in what i am about to say, but you are playing a weak tight style.
    On a positive note, if you were making money playing like this, imagine how much you can win when you fix your leaks.

    First off I take no offense at all to constructive criticism. When I go back and look at HH , I see many spots in which I check turn and let them get there on river. If anyone is interested in doing coaching please send me a message and we can talk. Thanks again to everyone for all the great responses.
     
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  21. no disrespect to arrachero , slks and srooney3 but you guys are playing micro stakes and its much different at the levels i play at. I mean raising in late position is good but players in these stakes are alot better then micro players and they do 3bet with air many times knowing u are trying to steal the blinds. I would like to compare my numbers to someone who plays 100, 200 and 400nl.
     
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  22. narcocop is a premium freakin stud baby!
     
  23. i play .5-1 euro so i guess im in the middle of ur range of stakes. I (GASP) dont use HUD so im not qauite sure of my stats but it def looks like ur 3b% is really really low. I play 6 max so I cant really compare my opening range to yours but your 3b range is absurdly small. your 3b range according to poker stove is 99+ ako and aqs+ ONLY.... that is waytoo tight and way too polarized mix in some weaker hands and some random suited gappers sometimes. dont go crazy with it...... im curious are you mass multi tabling..... your stats look like someone who plays heaps of tables and just plays real tight solid.
     
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    Originally Posted by pikappraider78 View Post

    i play .5-1 euro so i guess im in the middle of ur range of stakes. I (GASP) dont use HUD so im not qauite sure of my stats but it def looks like ur 3b% is really really low. I play 6 max so I cant really compare my opening range to yours but your 3b range is absurdly small. your 3b range according to poker stove is 99+ ako and aqs+ ONLY.... that is waytoo tight and way too polarized mix in some weaker hands and some random suited gappers sometimes. dont go crazy with it...... im curious are you mass multi tabling..... your stats look like someone who plays heaps of tables and just plays real tight solid.

    Yes my 3bet is kind of polarized but i do mix in weak hands at times . I do multi table , anywhere from 10- 20 tables at a time. Sometimes it gets hard to play very creative when ur multi tabling and hands are popping up everywhere.
     
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  25. I like the info ITT.
  26.  
    Originally Posted by NarcoCop View Post

    . I mean raising in late position is good but players in these stakes are alot better then micro players and they do 3bet with air many times knowing u are trying to steal the blinds..

    4bet lighter
     

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