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  1. BigMike2one5th BigMike2one5th is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2006 (4/20/2006 12:13pm)

    Whats up people...

    I have a question for players that play a good amount of MTTs. Before I ask the question, I will give you some backround so you'll understand where im coming from.

    I play on Bodog, and I have been playing there for about a year and a half now. I started out slow, but in the last 5 months I have won several tournies, and made a few other final tables (about 5 grand). The problem is that in the times between my wins or final tables I take bad beat after bad beat. I feel like I should be making a killing if I would not suffer so many bad beats. I only play lower limit tournies (normally the 4K tournies, the 6K tournies, 10K tournies) but I want to break through to the next level.

    So my question is this, do you guys not suffer bad beats as much as anyone else? Do you find ways to avoid them (which makes no sense to me since I am always right when I make the call but wrong when the hand is voer, so I am making good decisions)? Or is it just that you play more tournies, take the bad beats, and just have more opportunities to have those situations where you don't get donked out?

    Thanks,

    Big
  2. Dyzalot Dyzalot is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2006 (4/20/2006 12:24pm) in reply to BigMike2one5th

    So my question is this, do you guys not suffer bad beats as much as anyone else?

    I bust out of tournaments from bad beats more than any other cause.

    Do you find ways to avoid them

    You can't usually avoid them, you can only try to build a big enough stack to endure them.

    Or is it just that you play more tournies, take the bad beats, and just have more opportunities to have those situations where you don't get donked out?

    Well, there is that also. Over the last 5 months I have played 643 MTTs with 110 cashes, 62 final tables and 15 wins, playing mostly $5 - $30 buy in events. I wouldn't consider myself a top pro or anything but this should give you some numbers to compare to from a, so far, consistently successful MTT player.
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  3. bdluss bdluss is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2006 (4/20/2006 12:25pm) in reply to BigMike2one5th

    For tournament players bad beats happen all the time, this is usually how a good player does bust out of the tournament. The reason why this is the case is because of the sheer # of times you are all in during a tournament. If you get all your chips in the middle 10 times during a tournament with a pair vs an underpair, you will bust out 20% of the time on a "bad beat". But really there is nothing bad about the beat, the math says so it was just the odds playing out. This is why it is vital to build and accumulate chips. Most of the great tournament will tell you its not that they take any more or less bad beats than someone else, but it is because they are not the ones all in and therefor can withstand the bad beats without being out.

    The simply solution is this, find ways to build chips better to withstand any bad beats because they will occur at every level you play at.
     
  4. MarkesanMike MarkesanMike is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2006 (4/20/2006 1:16pm) in reply to bdluss

    The previous posts both say it pretty well, bad beats happen to all players in all types of tournaments and are usually why the really good players get knocked out. One of the keys is to build enough chips that you can still survive it when your top hands don't hold by not being the player going all in. The only other advice I can give you is that if you don't showdown a lot of hands, you have a lot less chances of getting sucked out on. The key is being able to tell when you can steal a pot away before the hand gets to a showdown. I once went from 6000 chips in one of ub's $100 tournies to over 40,000 chips with the chip lead with-in a matter of an hour and a half without showing one hand down. That's an extreme example, but it is possible to steal a lot of big pots without showdowns and it's important to win these pots to avoid getting sucked out on. Hope I helped a little bit.
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