Why in hand #8 the guy sitting is all in and goes to showdown and wins and in hand #1 it mucks his hand and he busts?

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<span id="lw_1246303229_0">pokerstars</span> Game #<span id="lw_1246303229_1">29914713114</span>: <span id="lw_1246303229_2">Tournament</span> #175578099, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/06/29 14:57:59 ET
Table '175578099 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: rbatistella (2565 in chips)
Seat 2: burt4021 (2732 in chips)
<span>Seat 6: rodriges1 (265 in chips) is sitting out</span>
Seat 7: Bambeeee (4410 in chips)
Seat 8: Pataki79 (1813 in chips)
Seat 9: saintsfan1 (1835 in chips)
Seat 10: Rastaclose (1380 in chips)
rbatistella: posts the ante 25
burt4021: posts the ante 25
rodriges1: posts the ante 25
Bambeeee: posts the ante 25
Pataki79: posts the ante 25
saintsfan1: posts the ante 25
Rastaclose: posts the ante 25
burt4021: posts small blind 200
<span>rodriges1: posts big blind 240 and is all-in</span>
*** <span id="lw_1246303229_3">HOLE CARDS</span> ***
Dealt to saintsfan1 [Ts 9c]
Bambeeee: folds
Pataki79: folds
saintsfan1: folds
Rastaclose: folds
rbatistella: folds
burt4021: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [6c 4d Qh]
*** TURN *** [6c 4d Qh] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [6c 4d Qh 9s] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
burt4021: shows [7c Jh] (high card Queen)
<span>rodriges1: shows [Jd As] (high card Ace)</span>
rodriges1 collected 655 from pot
Bambeeee said, "ooooomg"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 655 | Rake 0
Board [6c 4d Qh 9s 2s]
Seat 1: rbatistella (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: burt4021 (small blind) showed [7c Jh] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 6: rodriges1 (big blind) showed [Jd As] and won (655) with high card Ace
Seat 7: Bambeeee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Pataki79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: saintsfan1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Rastaclose folded before Flop (didn't bet)
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #<span id="lw_1246303229_4">29914816532</span>: Tournament #175578099, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/06/29 15:00:41 ET
Table '175578099 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: rbatistella (1790 in chips)
Seat 2: burt4021 (3467 in chips)
<span>Seat 6: rodriges1 (305 in chips) is sitting out</span>
Seat 7: Bambeeee (2392 in chips)
Seat 8: Pataki79 (3351 in chips)
Seat 9: saintsfan1 (1060 in chips)
Seat 10: Rastaclose (2635 in chips)
rbatistella: posts the ante 25
burt4021: posts the ante 25
rodriges1: posts the ante 25
Bambeeee: posts the ante 25
Pataki79: posts the ante 25
saintsfan1: posts the ante 25
Rastaclose: posts the ante 25
burt4021: posts small blind 200
<span>rodriges1: posts big blind 280 and is all-in</span>
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saintsfan1 [Ah 4h]
Bambeeee: folds
Pataki79: calls 400
saintsfan1: raises 635 to 1035 and is all-in
Rastaclose: folds
rbatistella: folds
burt4021: folds
rodriges1: folds
Pataki79: calls 635
*** FLOP *** [Ac 7s 4c]
*** TURN *** [Ac 7s 4c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Ac 7s 4c Ts] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pataki79: shows [7h 7d] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
saintsfan1: shows [Ah 4h] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Pataki79 collected 1510 from side pot
Pataki79 collected 1215 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2725 Main pot 1215. Side pot 1510. | Rake 0
Board [Ac 7s 4c Ts Th]
Seat 1: rbatistella (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: burt4021 (small blind) folded before Flop
<span>Seat 6: rodriges1 (big blind) folded before Flop</span>
Seat 7: Bambeeee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Pataki79 showed [7h 7d] and won (2725) with a full house, Sevens full of Tens
Seat 9: saintsfan1 showed [Ah 4h] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 10: Rastaclose folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I think if the sitter is forced all in in the BB, then the hand doesn't get folded. I have seen it before. If the player is forced all in due to ante, then the hand gets folded. Not really sure how or why, but it is normal.

I don't get it. If a player is all-in and doesn't need to make any decisions, what difference does it make if someone raised in front of him or not?

The player that is sitting out does not have a decision to make either way because he is all-in.

 

Originally Posted by Saintsfan1

pokerstars response.............

Hello Steve,

Thank you for your Email. I will do my best to explain what happened
in this instance.

Generally speaking, tournament rules are such that a sitting out
player's hand is killed (mucked, folded, declared dead) the moment
action falls on him. However, there is a rare instance in which the
server will allow a sitting out player to go to showdown and possibly
win the pot... because technically, action never fell on the sitting
out player. Here's how that can happen.

For this to happen, the sitting out player must be all-in and on the
big blind. Also necessary is for all players to fold around to the
small blind, leaving the pot heads up between the all-in big blind and
the small blind upon whom action now rests.

At this point, the small blind is offered only two choices by the
server -- he can call, or he can fold. He is not offered the
opportunity to raise, because the only remaining player in the pot
cannot call that raise even in part.... and the server knows it.

Thus, the small blind is forced to either fold and concede the pot...
or to call. If he calls, action is "complete" -- the big blind is all-
in and cannot take further action. All possible bets are complete,
and action on the hand is technically over. The only thing left to do
is run out the cards. The lack of any aggressive action, which would
put the "action" on the sitting out player, forces a showdown, and he
can win the pot.

Had any other player raised, action would have proceeded around to and
past the sitting out player, and his hand would have been killed.

I hope this has answered your question completely. Please let us know
any time you need anything.

Regards,

Declan
PokerStars Support Team

Its a bug - either the siting out player should be always killed or always in for the part of the pot he's all in for. What they are saying is they didn't correctly check for one of the boundry conditions and let him slip through to showdown with some kind of BS about "Special conditions by design" :)