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Question on playing hands that are normally marginall at a 9 person table but turn into premium hands shorthanded table

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  1. skillivey skillivey is offline

    Los Angeles, CA
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    Aug 28th, 2008 (8/28/2008 3:47pm)

    1st hand usually at 9 people table is a fold pre

    but in this case its solid

    pokerstars Game #19967502441: Tournament #104851032, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/08/28 - 14:50:03 (ET)
    Table '104851032 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: skillivey (1315 in chips)
    Seat 2: uzze_ (1690 in chips)
    Seat 3: Filipo83 (805 in chips)
    Seat 4: owcheck (1300 in chips)
    Seat 5: Makichan (1545 in chips)
    Seat 6: gameOUver (2345 in chips)
    owcheck: posts small blind 15
    Makichan: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to skillivey [Ah 7h]
    gameOUver: folds
    skillivey: calls 30
    uzze_ has timed out
    uzze_: folds
    uzze_ is sitting out
    Filipo83: folds
    uzze_ said, "S"
    owcheck: raises 60 to 90
    Makichan: folds
    uzze_ has returned
    skillivey: calls 60
    *** FLOP *** [4s 9c 7c]
    owcheck: bets 120
    skillivey: calls 120
    *** TURN *** [4s 9c 7c] [Qd]
    owcheck: checks
    skillivey: checks
    *** RIVER *** [4s 9c 7c Qd] [4c]
    owcheck: bets 240
    skillivey: hate this spot

    my fault for not raisin the flop correct???

    2nd hand

    Basically is this a call based on pot odds and the fact that short could be pushing with a very wide range?

    PokerStars Game #19967658432: Tournament #104851741, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/08/28 - 14:56:38 (ET)
    Table '104851741 1' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: tlotsch (685 in chips)
    Seat 2: Filipo83 (1340 in chips)
    Seat 3: tjoepcola (1860 in chips)
    Seat 4: wsopmission (1895 in chips)
    Seat 5: kalash75 (1505 in chips)
    Seat 6: skillivey (1715 in chips)
    skillivey: posts small blind 15
    tlotsch: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to skillivey [8d 8s]
    Filipo83: folds
    tjoepcola: calls 30
    wsopmission: raises 60 to 90
    kalash75: folds
    skillivey: calls 75
    tlotsch: raises 595 to 685 and is all-in
    tjoepcola: folds
    wsopmission: folds
    skillivey: calls 595
    *** FLOP *** [As 6s 7s]
    *** TURN *** [As 6s 7s] [9s]
    *** RIVER *** [As 6s 7s 9s] [Tc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    skillivey: shows [8d 8s] (a flush, Ace high)
    tlotsch: shows [Kd Ah] (a pair of Aces)
    skillivey collected 1490 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1490 | Rake 0
    Board [As 6s 7s 9s Tc]
    Seat 1: tlotsch (big blind) showed [Kd Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 2: Filipo83 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: tjoepcola folded before Flop
    Seat 4: wsopmission folded before Flop
    Seat 5: kalash75 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: skillivey (small blind) showed [8d 8s] and won (1490) with a flush, Ace high
  2. moman1965 moman1965 is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2008 (8/28/2008 4:26pm) in reply to skillivey

    First hand, pop it up on the flop to define your hand and get a better read on the other guy. Looks like he wiffed with AK or AQ so I think at this point, you need to call. don't get cute and reraise him, but I would flat.
    Second hand, I think this is a fold. Not so much for pot odds sake, but do you really want to risk 1/3 of your stack with the blinds at 15/30? I just can't see this being a plus EV call in the long run.
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