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  1. psamaa psamaa is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2012 (1/31/2012 2:50am)

    I am generally a nitty TAG player who plays primarily MTT's. Recently have been trying to expand my styling by playing more hands. Not garbage, but more suited connectors, 2-gappers, drawing type hands. It seems to be a losing proposition for me. I spew off way too many chips to the point that when the hands hit, it doesn't make up for the spewage. I have found that my hand reading has gotten much better while reverting back. Just looking for some solid advice for changing gears from TAG to LAGish so as not to blow the stack that I have built.
  2. mcandrews3rd mcandrews3rd is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2012 (1/31/2012 3:27am) in reply to psamaa

    i dont really think its play lag or tag one or the other and make it work

    its much more important to adjust your playing style depending on table dynamics stack sizes etc..

    like if i were at a table of aggressive regs im more likely to play a tag style game than on the bubble with a table of weaker opponents

    maybe your just not letting hands go and trying to bluff the wrong people in the wrong spots, you really have to know your opponents when playing a lot more hands
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  3. RedIceRap RedIceRap is offline Moderator

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    Jan 31st, 2012 (1/31/2012 8:41am) in reply to mcandrews3rd

    Analyze every player at ur table and make notes. There are players i gonna open with like any two from any position if they are in the bb, there are players i will fold even AK in the late stages to their 3bet, there are tables i gonna open every unsuited one gapper and suited two gapper, and also table on which i will play nitty and fold AJ utg. Need to adapt to single players for the case u get action, plus for the table to know ur proper opening range. A HUD can show u the avg vpip and pfr of ur table. I think there is a way to find out what ur exact opening range should be to be profitable, but im not a mathematician and dont know how to do that.

    Question for smarter people: lets say the table avg vpip and pfr is 15/12, how much % should my pfr be to be profitable as a pure preflop steal?
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  4. Solidthought Solidthought is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2012 (2/1/2012 3:30pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

     
    Originally Posted by mcandrews3rd View Post


    like if i were at a table of aggressive regs im more likely to play a tag style game than on the bubble with a table of weaker opponents


    This is the only part of your post I don't understand. So if you were at this 'table'. You wouldn't play back at all you'd in fact tighten up even though you know the regs are playing aggressively pre and post?

     
    Originally Posted by RedIceRap View Post

    Question for smarter people: lets say the table avg vpip and pfr is 15/12, how much % should my pfr be to be profitable as a pure preflop steal?

    I guess this depends on how large your pfr would be. With larger PFRs you will need a higher number of them to get through.

    Sorry if this seems blindingly obvious :/
    Edited By: Solidthought Feb 1st, 2012 at 03:30 PM
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    Feb 1st, 2012 (2/1/2012 3:36pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

     
    Originally Posted by mcandrews3rd View Post

    i dont really think its play lag or tag one or the other and make it work

    its much more important to adjust your playing style depending on table dynamics stack sizes etc..

    like if i were at a table of aggressive regs im more likely to play a tag style game than on the bubble with a table of weaker opponents

    maybe your just not letting hands go and trying to bluff the wrong people in the wrong spots, you really have to know your opponents when playing a lot more hands

    This is solid advice here.
     
  6. tyson219 tyson219 is online now Moderator

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    Feb 1st, 2012 (2/1/2012 4:04pm) in reply to RedIceRap

     
    Originally Posted by RedIceRap View Post

    Question for smarter people: lets say the table avg vpip and pfr is 15/12, how much % should my pfr be to be profitable as a pure preflop steal?

    You could figure it out for each position, but it would have to be based on the assumption that nobody flats (or you c/f if they do) and you fold to all 3bets. Since neither of those is realistic, it's probably not even worth figuring out. Although I suppose it would probably give you a general range of hands that you could profitably open.
    Edited By: tyson219 Feb 1st, 2012 at 04:05 PM
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  7. mcandrews3rd mcandrews3rd is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2012 (2/1/2012 5:48pm) in reply to Solidthought

     
    Originally Posted by Solidthought View Post

    This is the only part of your post I don't understand. So if you were at this 'table'. You wouldn't play back at all you'd in fact tighten up even though you know the regs are playing aggressively pre and post?

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    pots are not going to go uncontested and your success rate at taking down pre an post flop will reduce, in otherwords your risking more, a higher % of the time to win less.

    whereas at a weaker table you can raise 4x in a row and take it down, ship pots post flop with easy one or two barrels

    its not always the best idea to try and run over every table sometimes you have to be patient wait for value hands an extract as much as you can

    jst so you know iv tried to be super laggy vs much better opponents who just do it better than me and it always results in me spewing myself out
    Edited By: mcandrews3rd Feb 1st, 2012 at 05:55 PM
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  8. Solidthought Solidthought is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2012 (2/1/2012 6:24pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

    Ok cheers mcandrews, that makes sence. Yeah, i see what you mean. Maybe sometimes pride isnt the best thing in poker. By the same token - I hate to see OTHER players running over tables...
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    Feb 2nd, 2012 (2/2/2012 4:23pm) in reply to Solidthought

    Play vs the table. If you have a tight blind on your left you can be opening any two in some scenarios and adjusting the bet sizing accordingly to stack sizes. Also find more spots to iso. But you don't have to do it everytime you get the hand.
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