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Question for top MTTers on playing low pairs late in tourney

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  1. The Knish The Knish is offline

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    Feb 10th, 2008 (2/10/2008 12:44pm)

    I have noticed a number top players that are willing to call in a variety of situations with low pairs for a significant percentage of their stacks when they could have easily given it up or never played it in the 1st place.

    The pairs I've witnessed have been in the 33 -66 range and the situations are that the players are deep in the tourney and usually with 27 or less players left at the time.

    The stack situations have allways been that the call has been made with a larger stack than the opponent so the entire tourney isn't at risk but we are talking amounts between 1/3rd and 3/4's of their stacks being at risk.

    Sometimes the hero opened with the low pair and was shoved over and had less than 2-1 to call and others the hero just called. Sometimes there was some moderate raising back and forth before the shove and call.

    There were mixed results for our hero's. Pretty much what you would expect with coin flips.

    ** Not all of these were played against shove stacks. At least not what I view as shove stacks. Some were of course played vs. players w/ stacks of 10M or less or but some had 20M +.

    Obviously there is some gambling here to build larger stacks to make a run at the final table heavily armed but I' wondering what kind of criteria top players are using in these decisions?

    Would be interested to know others thoughts on the subject
  2. Fife19 Fife19 is offline

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    Feb 10th, 2008 (2/10/2008 12:48pm) in reply to The Knish

    Annette made a great post about playing pairs with different M's and whatnot like 5 or 6 months ago. Im gonna search for it, was thinking about this yesterday as I folded 55 utg+1 with 16bbs :-)
  3. Fife19 Fife19 is offline

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    Feb 10th, 2008 (2/10/2008 1:00pm) in reply to Fife19

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>How to play pps in EP with short-med stack.
    by Annette_15 on 8/17/2007 22:11 </TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Ok, so there has been a lot of posts about this lately, and i made a reply to one of em that i think lotta ppl missed, so ill copy it here again. Its a big leak in ppl's game to over value pp's when they have a short stack, and i often see terrible overshoves because ppl just dunno what to with them. Here's a chart for what I do in these spots.... now, im not saying this is the correct way to play em, but at least it will keep u out of trouble most of the time and the mistakes wont be too big.

    Assuming utg at 9 handed table: (Very small or no ante)

    Edit- This of course depends on the table and their callingranges as mentioned in the thread, but this is just some pointers if ur at a random table with no reads on the players

    50x+
    limp or raise

    25x+:
    raise all pps

    20x-25x:
    22-55 fold
    66+ raise

    15x-20x:
    22-66 fold
    77+ raise

    12x-14x:
    22-88 fold
    88+ raise and call shove

    10x-11x:
    22-77 fold
    88+ shove

    9x:
    22-44 fold
    55+ shove

    8x or less:
    shove any pp

    With antes later in tourneys:

    14x-15x:
    22-55 fold
    66-88 raise and fold to shove
    99+ raise and call shove

    13x:
    22-77 fold
    88+ raise and call shove

    11x-12x:
    22-77 fold
    88+ shove

    10x:
    22-33 (cant decide what to do with 44 lol) fold
    55+ shove

    9x or less:
    shove any pp

    Just felt like taking some responsibility and get some poker back up on the board after all this drama :)

    Annette </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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