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Quick PL OH8 question.. KcQcQd9c on the button..

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  1. pokerchief29 pokerchief29 is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2008 (11/14/2008 12:15am)

    PREFLOP: fold, limp, or raise?

    After my my raise should i fold given no low draw? I got pretty much almost 1/3 my stack in pre there i know that folding here is a no-no in NLHE with antes. Anyway what now?

    HELP is appreciated

    Hand #58616443-3 at 840pmOmahaHL-Final (Pot Limit tournament Omaha 8/b)
    Started at 13/Nov/08 23:53:31

    mmitch11 is at seat 0 with 52160.
    BigFig is at seat 1 with 55415.
    brian321123 is at seat 2 with 11880.
    IceIce baby is at seat 3 with 4140.
    cloudyspirits is at seat 4 with 12350.
    RustyKales is at seat 5 with 2310.
    HAZERDUS is at seat 6 with 17250.
    Puppet_Mastr is at seat 7 with 6310.
    iykisa is at seat 8 with 0 (sitting out).
    coramore is at seat 9 with 18185.
    The button is at seat 7.

    coramore posts the big blind of 2000.

    mmitch11: -- -- -- --
    BigFig: -- -- -- --
    brian321123: -- -- -- --
    IceIce baby: -- -- -- --
    cloudyspirits: -- -- -- --
    RustyKales: -- -- -- --
    HAZERDUS: 9c Kc Qd Qc
    Puppet_Mastr: -- -- -- --
    coramore: -- -- -- --

    Pre-flop:

    mmitch11 folds. BigFig folds. brian321123 folds.
    IceIce baby folds. cloudyspirits folds. RustyKales
    folds. HAZERDUS raises to 4550. Puppet_Mastr folds.
    coramore re-raises to 13650. HAZERDUS goes all-in
    for 17250. coramore calls.

    Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

    HAZERDUS shows 9c Kc Qd Qc.
    coramore shows 8c 5c Ah Ad.

    Flop (board: As 8d 6s):

    (no action in this round)

    Turn (board: As 8d 6s Td):

    (no action in this round)

    River (board: As 8d 6s Td 6c):

    (no action in this round)

    Showdown:

    HAZERDUS has Qd Qc As 6s 6c: two pair, queens and sixes.
    coramore has Ah Ad As 6s 6c: full house, aces full of sixes.

    Hand #58616443-3 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    coramore wins 34500 with full house, aces full of sixes.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    EDIT: This hand was 2 hands earlier. caramore was the table bully. raising close to half of all hands.

    Hand #58616443-1 at 840pmOmahaHL-Final (Pot Limit tournament Omaha 8/b)
    Started at 13/Nov/08 23:51:39

    mmitch11 is at seat 0 with 54160.
    BigFig is at seat 1 with 30545.
    brian321123 is at seat 2 with 11880.
    IceIce baby is at seat 3 with 4140.
    cloudyspirits is at seat 4 with 14350.
    RustyKales is at seat 5 with 2310.
    HAZERDUS is at seat 6 with 13200.
    Puppet_Mastr is at seat 7 with 10310.
    iykisa is at seat 8 with 7720.
    coramore is at seat 9 with 31385.
    The button is at seat 5.

    HAZERDUS posts the small blind of 1000.
    Puppet_Mastr posts the big blind of 2000.

    mmitch11: -- -- -- --
    BigFig: -- -- -- --
    brian321123: -- -- -- --
    IceIce baby: -- -- -- --
    cloudyspirits: -- -- -- --
    RustyKales: -- -- -- --
    HAZERDUS: 2h 9c Ac 3d
    Puppet_Mastr: -- -- -- --
    iykisa: -- -- -- --
    coramore: -- -- -- --

    Pre-flop:

    iykisa raises to 7000. coramore calls. mmitch11
    folds. BigFig folds. brian321123 folds. IceIce
    baby folds. cloudyspirits folds. RustyKales folds.
    HAZERDUS goes all-in for 13200. Puppet_Mastr folds.
    iykisa goes all-in for 7720. coramore calls.

    Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

    HAZERDUS shows 2h 9c Ac 3d.
    iykisa shows 3s As Jh Js.
    coramore shows Qh Td Ah Qc.

    Flop (board: 3h 2d Ks):

    (no action in this round)

    Turn (board: 3h 2d Ks 7s):

    (no action in this round)

    River (board: 3h 2d Ks 7s 6s):

    (no action in this round)

    Showdown:

    HAZERDUS has 2h 3d 3h 2d Ks: two pair, threes and deuces.
    iykisa has As Js Ks 7s 6s: flush, ace high.
    coramore has Qh Qc Ks 7s 6s: a pair of queens.

    Hand #58616443-1 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    iykisa wins the main pot 12580 with flush, ace high (high).
    iykisa wins the main pot 6290 of a 12580 pot with 7 6 3 2 A (low).
    HAZERDUS wins the main pot 6290 of a 12580 pot with 7 6 3 2 A (low).
    HAZERDUS wins the side pot 5480 with two pair, threes and deuces (high).
    HAZERDUS wins the side pot 5480 with 7 6 3 2 A (low).
  2. onepocketj onepocketj is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2008 (11/14/2008 12:29am) in reply to pokerchief29

    I would definitely fold it pre - you have no low and your flush draw is weak. As played I would fold to the rr-even though you only leave yourself 12K at 1/2 blinds you are not dead yet. If you call you need a lot of help most of the time
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    Nov 14th, 2008 (11/14/2008 12:32am) in reply to onepocketj

    ty for the advice. ill post results after a few responses.
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  4. the_schmenx the_schmenx is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2008 (11/14/2008 1:32am) in reply to pokerchief29

    It's kind of a mix between proprer pl8 theory and proper tournament theory.

    The problem with bringing in that hand for a raise with a few people behind you is that the a2 and a3 hands are usually behind you. Personally I really prefer overlimping with those types of hands and they can be very tough to play. If I raise that hand with your stack and an aggro player reraises me I'm not folding there because it's more likely they have a2xx or a3xx than aa2x or aaxx.

    Personally I'd probably fold or limp depending on how the table is playing.
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    Nov 14th, 2008 (11/14/2008 1:41am) in reply to the_schmenx

     
    Originally Posted by the_schmenx View Post

    It's kind of a mix between proprer pl8 theory and proper tournament theory.

    The problem with bringing in that hand for a raise with a few people behind you is that the a2 and a3 hands are usually behind you. Personally I really prefer overlimping with those types of hands and they can be very tough to play. If I raise that hand with your stack and an aggro player reraises me I'm not folding there because it's more likely they have a2xx or a3xx than aa2x or aaxx.

    Personally I'd probably fold or limp depending on how the table is playing.

    Well it was a button raise with the most aggro player in the BB who 2 hands earlier had lost a pretty big hand to me. I figured he would call reraise with almost any hand that contained to cards lower than 8. He was obv at the very top of that range. After my raise and his push is it a easy fold or snap call given him and our history?
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