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Quick question for Jennifear or anyone who's play alot of DONs

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  1. Jax0910 Jax0910 is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2009 (6/24/2009 6:12pm)

    pokerstars Game #29698551250: Tournament #174071133, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/06/23 19:09:44 WET [2009/06/23 14:09:44 ET]
    Table '174071133 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Rounder_0007 (3760 in chips)
    Seat 4: Goyathlay77 (1590 in chips)
    Seat 5: pbrasil88 (3330 in chips)
    Seat 6: JulianS23 (1520 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jax0910 (905 in chips)
    Seat 8: rjvl (1975 in chips)
    Seat 9: TheBigTymer (1920 in chips)
    Rounder_0007: posts the ante 30
    Goyathlay77: posts the ante 30
    pbrasil88: posts the ante 30
    JulianS23: posts the ante 30
    Jax0910: posts the ante 30
    rjvl: posts the ante 30
    TheBigTymer: posts the ante 30
    Jax0910: posts small blind 150
    rjvl: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Jax0910 [As Qh]
    TheBigTymer: folds
    Rounder_0007: folds
    Goyathlay77: raises 300 to 600
    pbrasil88: folds
    JulianS23: folds
    Jax0910: raises 275 to 875 and is all-in
    rjvl: folds
    Goyathlay77: calls 275

    Ok two questions, is my call here bad? Im like 99% it is but just wanna make sure, i was kind of tilty wen i made it!

    Second, do people have a general rule for the lowest amount of blinds your let youself get down to before you call off?

    Ty for any feedback
  2. ficha19 ficha19 is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2009 (6/24/2009 6:31pm) in reply to Jax0910

    standard, i dont fold in this situation
  3. Nole91 Nole91 is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2009 (6/24/2009 6:33pm) in reply to Jax0910

    It's mainly an ICM question- will your equity improve enough to justify calling versus the villian's range (close to ATC at this point of the game).

    I'm sure someone will run the numbers for you, but almost sure you're correct in calling as 7 of 7.

    My suggestion for improving DON play would be to read Jennifear's earlier article on DONs and mess around with the Nash ICM tool.
     
  4. dacrazesta dacrazesta is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2009 (6/24/2009 7:55pm) in reply to Jax0910

    Im getting it in here every time with that chip stack compared to the field and the blinds. Normally, AQ plays well against his range and if you win this hand you are in pretty good shape w 2260 compared to folding and hoping for a better spot in the next 4 hands, and even if you do double up your still in a fight 7 handed. His min raise probabily says your crushed, but even if he has AA I like shoving instead of min raising.
  5. andrewkr80 andrewkr80 is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2009 (6/24/2009 9:12pm) in reply to dacrazesta

    This spot is so standard. You have to get it in here everytime..
  6. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2009 (6/24/2009 10:28pm) in reply to Jax0910

    It's a call. I would do the math but I know for sure it is.

    How you can do this on your own:

    Step 1 - using this:

    ICM Calculator: 10 places

    Calculate:

    X = your equity if you fold.
    Y = your equity if you call and win.
    Z = your equity if you call and lose (in this case, $0.00).

    Step 2:

    Calculate how often you have to win the hand in order to make a proper call using this easy equation:

    (X-Z)/(Y-Z) = ___%

    Step 3:

    Using this tool:

    ProPokerTools Hold'em Oracle

    enter the equity you get from step 2 in the bottom box. Then feel free to try different ranges out for the shover to see which shove ranges you could call against.

    Hope that helps!
  7. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2009 (6/24/2009 10:58pm) in reply to Jax0910

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>UTG+2</TD><TD><TD><TD>29.7%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ K9o+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ T9s </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>CO</TD><TD><TD>10.9%, 55+ A8s+ A9o+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD>3.9%, 99+ AKs AKo </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>9.8%, 66+ ATs+ AJo+ KTs+ QTs+ JTs </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>4.2%, 99+ AQs+ AKo </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD><TD>11.6%, 44+ A8s+ A9o+ KQs </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>10.0%, 55+ ATs+ AJo+ KTs+ QTs+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>5.9%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD>40.6%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K8o+ Q5s+ Q9o+ J7s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>19.5%, 22+ A3s+ A7o+ K9s+ KJo+ QTs+ JTs </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD><TD>29.1%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ T9s 98s </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    Looks like you are WAY good per nash.
  8. calebku33 calebku33 is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2009 (6/24/2009 10:59pm) in reply to Jennifear

    jennifear is the truth.
  9. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2009 (6/24/2009 11:09pm) in reply to saukendar

    Saukendar -

    The Nash Equilibrium you posted was not good for this situation. Here's the Nash for this spot:

    http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...amp;s8=&s9=

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>UTG+2</TD><TD><TD><TD>44.8%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K5o+ Q2s+ Q8o+ J5s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 97s+ 86s+ 76s 65s </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>CO</TD><TD><TD>2.3%, TT+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>0.9%, KK+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD><TD>1.8%, JJ+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD>25.0%, 33+ A2s+ A3o+ K8s+ KTo+ QTs+ QJo JTs </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    When Nashing for a Double or Nothing event, be sure to change the structure from .5/.3/.2 to 1/1/1/1/1

    By the way Saukendar I'm a big fan of your posts in general. You are one of the most helpful posters on this forum. If good information per post was a stat you would be in the top 1% here, easily.

    Note for the OP - I wouldn't call as wide as the Nash Equilibrium that I posted, because I would expect that the raiser would be much tighter, but I'd still call with AQo.
  10. Cashweekly Cashweekly is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 12:05am) in reply to Jennifear

    It has been awhile since I have posted regarding the lolability of using ICM in various situations.

    This one is especially funny.

    just lol.....
  11. JustKLLinItQ JustKLLinItQ is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 12:11am) in reply to Jax0910

    Folding here is for Y's! Get it in here and double up and double up your ten bones! JQ

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  12. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 3:43am) in reply to Cashweekly

     
    Originally Posted by Cashweekly View Post

    It has been awhile since I have posted regarding the lolability of using ICM in various situations.

    This one is especially funny.

    just lol.....

    ICM is actually *somewhat* in line with cEV here, and for good reason
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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 5:15am) in reply to Jax0910

    Thanks for the responses! Have play about 1500ish of these and am doing well.... just unsure what to do in spots like these as i obv have no FE, would the situation change if i had like 1000 - 1200 left?
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