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Raise, Call, or Fold AK UTG in turbo SNG??

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  1. Rimz Rimz is offline

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    Sep 29th, 2008 (9/29/2008 7:23pm)

    What do you do here?Like 6 hands in... No reads, all I see is he is a silverstar....Whats his range? I figure JJ+, AK?

    pokerstars Game #20799641083: Tournament #111191372, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/09/29 19:19:47 ET
    Table '111191372 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Rimz (1570 in chips)
    Seat 2: FULLOHAD (1490 in chips)
    Seat 3: Steph_888 (1300 in chips)
    Seat 4: phalv (1700 in chips)
    Seat 5: werd2u (1470 in chips)
    Seat 6: mleone3333 (1260 in chips)
    Seat 7: SABICCS (1750 in chips)
    Seat 8: JurassicShip (1480 in chips)
    Seat 9: fanta-kasten (1480 in chips)
    JurassicShip: posts small blind 15
    fanta-kasten: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Rimz [As Kh]
    Rimz: raises 90 to 120
    FULLOHAD: folds
    Steph_888: folds
    phalv: folds
    werd2u: folds
    mleone3333: raises 240 to 360
  2. SILKY JOHNSON SILKY JOHNSON is online now

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    Sep 29th, 2008 (9/29/2008 10:51pm) in reply to Rimz

    Ran into this twice yesterday and I pushed both times, because it was turbo and they had QQ and AA...I think we should fold 6 hands in. Also how did he lose the 300 chips 6 hands in? Lots of donks will show up w/ some crazy stuff in these $16turbos. I got knocked out of one yesterday on 1st hand allin pre w/ AA to some lunatics A3s.
  3. Charlamaigne Charlamaigne is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 5:35pm) in reply to SILKY JOHNSON

    why not see a flop here? yeah its early and a 3rd of your stack but you run into some donkeys even at that level regardless of the silver star. Would def not push AK this early but seeing a flop might not be a bad player
  4. ibluffheaps ibluffheaps is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 1:58am) in reply to Rimz

    shove is my default action in nearly every scenario where I am 80bb deep or w/e and I get 3bet. I mean doesnt he need to be only doing this with QQ+, AK for our move to be bad. The fact this is a $16 tourney has alot to do with my decsion making also.
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  5. Mrfreeze53 Mrfreeze53 is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 1:17pm) in reply to Charlamaigne

    Charlamaigne not to hate but that is the worst advice Ive ever heard. Why not see a flop here u ask? Ill tell you why, because your risking a third of your stack out of postion, against a legit re raise. By flatting here your AK loses all value. AK's key strength comes from utilizing fold equity preflop, and getting to see all 5 cards. By flatting here if u do flop and A or K and your opponent has a re raising hand in the range of 1010-QQ u now have lost almost all value being in that your opponet will more then likly fold to your push or check behind u and fold to any bet on later streets. If your opponent does in fact have AJ or AQ and is willing to re raise them preflop then he is def stacking off on the flop but I am 90% sure if there re poping those hands preflop there stacking off to a shove preflop. Finally if u do shove it in preflop u may induse a fold from 1010-JJ being in that u raised UTG then got 3-bet and then 4 bet shoved in which case u have won the pot with the worst hand. Two more things, if they have AA or KK then your screwed either way unless u flop an A and he has KK then u once again lose all value. In conclusion calling is the worst of your choices and it is monstrously -EV, folding or shoving are both legit actions Id go with shoving, cause hes down 300 chips and its early thus hes a manic.
  6. Mrfreeze53 Mrfreeze53 is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 1:19pm) in reply to ibluffheaps

    And as for ibluffheaps im not sure how u can say your default play here is to shove 80bb's deep to a 3 bet, but u have 10 times my profit soooooooooooo.
  7. ibluffheaps ibluffheaps is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 7:40pm) in reply to Mrfreeze53

    as you said you cant call - and if you 3bet you are basically commited anyway.... looks 2 be a clear shove or fold 2 me.
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  8. trojanmana trojanmana is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2008 (10/4/2008 6:42am) in reply to Charlamaigne

     
    Originally Posted by Charlamaigne View Post

    why not see a flop here? yeah its early and a 3rd of your stack but you run into some donkeys even at that level regardless of the silver star. Would def not push AK this early but seeing a flop might not be a bad player

    never just cold call here. its shove or fold and this early its probably a fold.
  9. Charlamaigne Charlamaigne is offline

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    Oct 7th, 2008 (10/7/2008 5:00pm) in reply to trojanmana

    its a turbo guys, AK is a solid hand and if you shove and face qq then your flipping for your tourny life early. I still think seeing a flop isnt that bad of a play, you may lose action if you hit, but you wont be sent to the rail if you lose a coinflip.
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    Oct 16th, 2008 (10/16/2008 9:04pm) in reply to Charlamaigne

     
    Originally Posted by Charlamaigne View Post


    its a turbo guys, AK is a solid hand and if you shove and face qq then your flipping for your tourny life early. I still think seeing a flop isnt that bad of a play, you may lose action if you hit, but you wont be sent to the rail if you lose a coinflip.

    please dont listen to this.
    shove>fold>>>>call
  11. NetFan44 NetFan44 is offline

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    Oct 16th, 2008 (10/16/2008 9:17pm) in reply to Rimz

    pretty easy laydown if you ask me, what are you hoping he has AQ?
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