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  1. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 6:30pm)

    The previous hand, I raised it up from the SB with K6ss, the villian called, and folded when I led out with a c-bet on an A high flop. This is the next hand, I felt he could have been defending against the c-bet and felt I might have some fold equity. Is this just a terrible play? Results in ghost text.

    *********** # 78 **************
    pokerstars Game #17246374329: Tournament #87332357, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/05/06 - 15:49:22 (ET)
    Table '87332357 114' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: howdy1965 (12679 in chips)
    Seat 2: polo95 (6612 in chips)
    Seat 3: kaymil (6670 in chips)
    Seat 4: discopoker (7475 in chips)
    Seat 5: Mr.Sho 26 (6655 in chips)
    Seat 6: Danjonez (830 in chips)
    discopoker: posts small blind 100
    Mr.Sho 26: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to kaymil [9c Tc]
    Danjonez: folds
    howdy1965: folds
    polo95: folds
    kaymil: raises 400 to 600
    discopoker: calls 500
    Mr.Sho 26: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Jc Kh 5c]
    discopoker: checks
    kaymil: bets 600
    discopoker: raises 1200 to 1800
    kaymil: raises 4270 to 6070 and is all-in
    discopoker: calls 4270
    *** TURN *** [Jc Kh 5c] [Js]
    *** RIVER *** [Jc Kh 5c Js] [3s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    discopoker: shows [Jd Kd] (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
    kaymil: shows [9c Tc] (a pair of Jacks)
    discopoker collected 13540 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 13540 | Rake 0
    Board [Jc Kh 5c Js 3s]
    Seat 1: howdy1965 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: polo95 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: kaymil (button) showed [9c Tc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 4: discopoker (small blind) showed [Jd Kd] and won (13540) with a full house, Jacks full of Kings
    Seat 5: Mr.Sho 26 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Danjonez folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. tobiasjosias tobiasjosias is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 6:58pm) in reply to kmil420

    not really a bad play because you outs for your flush.You had to think you were a underdog after discopoker called your initial raise and his raise to 1800.You could have called if you think he was defending the c bet. Then checked if no club hits. If he bets at this point you know you are beat and you can pick a better spot to push.
  3. Numskull21 Numskull21 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 7:00pm) in reply to tobiasjosias

    7.5
  4. norcalonica norcalonica is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 7:02pm) in reply to tobiasjosias

    you played it fine imo, assuming you led weak so that you could shove over his raise. JUL
     
  5. OneUglyMoFo OneUglyMoFo is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 7:04pm) in reply to kmil420

    Well i think its a pretty straightforward hand...once he check raises u..u have to assume he atleast has top pair..and in a 2 buck game i doubt u have any fold equity...So when ur shoving u have to understand ur drawing to ur gutshot + flush and that u will be called...
  6. Bawsten Bawsten is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 7:05pm) in reply to kmil420

    pokerstars Game #17246374329: Tournament #87332357, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit
  7. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 7:13pm) in reply to Bawsten

    I did lead out weak knowing that I was going to shove if he raised. Of course he boats up on the turn and I'm drawing dead >:o

    I probably didn't have any FE, these plays probably work better in later stages of MTTs, when payouts become significant and people become more afraid of busting.

    So, probably not a leak, just ul?
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  8. Sinter27 Sinter27 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 7:46pm) in reply to kmil420

    No this hand was played quite horribly post flop. Why bet after he checks and why bet so small? If he isn't leading out with 2 pair on a very drawy board chances are he isn't folding top 2 after your flush or straight hits the turn. Why shove all in after he check raises you, what hands could he possibly have in this spot?
  9. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 7:54pm) in reply to Sinter27

    I could have checked behind on the flop, but I decided to put out a small bet to look weak and try to induce a move. When I threw out that small bet I had already decided I would push him all in if he check raised me. I did this because he had done nothing to define the strength of my hand. I think he will lay down a lot of hands there because of this and even if he has a hand that he can call with, like top two, or a set, I have the gutshot and the flush draw.
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  10. elendil elendil is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 8:08pm) in reply to kmil420

    Difficulty LVL 9.0, judges Score 4/10. This is a $2.00MTT, Once he Check/raises U, alarm bells should fire that villian is strong. You did have outs with the Flush, but as far as getting this guy to fold because you have FE is a mistake at this Level (Micro). Once most people re-raise at these LVLs they are strong or NOT going anywhere even with maginal hands. Which is still ahead of your 10 high. Poor Play IMO at these Levels. I really think you out thought yourself on this hand.
  11. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 8:11pm) in reply to elendil

    Yea the only reason I played this hand this way is because of the previous hand which I had just played with the villian. I thought by taking my line I could get the villian to play back at me with a marginal holding, which he would then fold if I came over the top. Turns out he flopped a great hand, I was still 60/40 on that flop, but you guys are probably right, probably too fancy for this level, its probably best to just play ABC and hope to get lucky
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  12. elendil elendil is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 8:13pm) in reply to kmil420

    When he re-raised U he did "define" his hand. And why would you want him to make a move when U have 10 high. You had lots of outs and Gambled, thats it. But gambeling is not a reason you gave as to why U played the Hand in this Fashion. You asked if it was a good Re-steal, which at the $2 Level it really isn't.
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 8:49pm) in reply to elendil

    I said he hadn't defined MY hand. I was trying to get him to play back at me with a marginal hand that would then fold to the push.
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  14. elendil elendil is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 10:30pm) in reply to kmil420

    You well and Truly out thought yourself, I belive this same move would be more successfull in the "bigger" games with more skilled players that would more likey check re-raise as a steal. Not many average skilled people in the $2 games make these types of bluffs, They are more likley to Jam it all in OOP as a bluff than Check Raise.
  15. Sigmapoker Sigmapoker is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 11:15pm) in reply to kmil420

    Preflop I think is fine. Post flop I have no problem with the cbet. A check behind isn't a bad play either. The check/raise definately should have sent off alarm bells. That being said, you can't put him on 2 pair exactly. I think it's read dependent. This play can work at this level.

    I think I probably check behind and take a free card on this flop. If I have a read that says this player is weak then I might take a stab. I think I'm only taking your line if the SB is a crazy spewtard who calls too much with random hands.
  16. Cmac Cmac is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 11:45pm) in reply to kmil420

    I'd Bang
  17. I_Blade_U I_Blade_U is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 11:51pm) in reply to Cmac

    id rate u a 0...
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