is it really that hard to run a poker site?

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  1. mathclub mathclub is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:43pm)

    it really doesn't seem that hard to me, i mean you are always going to have software issues and customer service problems, but the vast majority of sites seem to be constantly stuffing up the simplest of things and making themselves constantly look bad.

    is it really that hard?
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  2. Zunga Zunga is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 8:11pm) in reply to mathclub

    Why doesnt a group of the top online pro's start a site? They can all be pros and make a killing off the business. Shocked this hasnt happened yet to be honest.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 8:19pm) in reply to Zunga

     
    Originally Posted by Zunga View Post

    Why doesnt a group of the top online pro's start a site? They can all be pros and make a killing off the business. Shocked this hasnt happened yet to be honest.

    Probably because creating (business plan, software, servers), running, and marketing the site is significantly harder then sitting around asking how hard it is.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 8:28pm) in reply to Zunga

     
    Originally Posted by Zunga View Post

    Why doesnt a group of the top online pro's start a site? They can all be pros and make a killing off the business. Shocked this hasnt happened yet to be honest.

    Or find a smaller site with solid software and buy it. Then rebrand it, add servers and add personnel (IT, Customer Service, Marketing).

    I can't see how poker sites can lose money - especially in this scenario since half of the startup costs are gone. They take rake regardless of who wins. They get serious cash flow.
     
  5. TC_Clueless TC_Clueless is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 9:25pm) in reply to SpankyHamm

    Please direct me to aforementioned "smaller site with solid software" that is for sale. thx in advance.
     
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 9:30pm) in reply to TC_Clueless

    its not that hard to run........ but it is hard to get clients/players onto your site. This has been attempted daniel negreanu tried this and got bought out. His site was not doing very well full contact poker i believe. Its gonna be really hard to pull ppl away from the big three because they have it all down for instance depositing and ppl like to deal things with what they are familiar with. Cake poker may be on the rise though. But yes think about all the aspects of what it takes its tough to be a success.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 9:33pm) in reply to drglen

     
    Originally Posted by drglen View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Zunga View Post


    Why doesnt a group of the top online pro's start a site? They can all be pros and make a killing off the business. Shocked this hasnt happened yet to be honest.

    Probably because creating (business plan, software, servers), running, and marketing the site is significantly harder then sitting around asking how hard it is.

    Dude...u realize that is mathclub you are talking about right? PS JQ+matchlub = new online poker goldmine! JQ
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 9:34pm) in reply to Zunga

     
    Originally Posted by Zunga View Post

    Why doesnt a group of the top online pro's start a site? They can all be pros and make a killing off the business. Shocked this hasnt happened yet to be honest.

    Full Tilt spent TONS of $ on advertising, bonuses, sponsorships, development, etc. And it took them years before it really took off. Maybe not hard to run, but tough to get off the ground. There are dozens of Pokerchamps out there for every Fulltilt or Stars.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 9:39pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

    pm Russ Hamilton
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 9:51pm) in reply to SantanaBandana

     
    Originally Posted by SantanaBandana View Post

    pm Russ Hamilton

    follow this mans advice and learn how to not get caught, you should do quite well imo.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 11:01pm) in reply to clubkiller

    mathclub, let's start our own.
     
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 11:24pm) in reply to BigGunX

    what about chanpoker or what ever that is
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    Jul 9th, 2009 (7/9/2009 10:25am) in reply to TC_Clueless

     
    Originally Posted by TC_Clueless View Post

    Please direct me to aforementioned "smaller site with solid software" that is for sale. thx in advance.

    The Cryptologic network recently closed and the likes of William Hill, SunPoker went to ipoker, and others went to Boss Network. IMO crypto was far better software than ipoker or boss so im sure someone could bet hold of it and create a semi-decent alternative.
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    Jul 9th, 2009 (7/9/2009 10:29am) in reply to Crazyhorse76

     
    Originally Posted by Crazyhorse76 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Zunga View Post

    Why doesnt a group of the top online pro's start a site? They can all be pros and make a killing off the business. Shocked this hasnt happened yet to be honest.

    Full Tilt spent TONS of $ on advertising, bonuses, sponsorships, development, etc. And it took them years before it really took off. Maybe not hard to run, but tough to get off the ground. There are dozens of Pokerchamps out there for every Fulltilt or Stars.

    Pokerchamps is still alive, its just called Betfair now.
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    Jul 9th, 2009 (7/9/2009 11:23am) in reply to Zunga

     
    Originally Posted by Zunga View Post

    Why doesnt a group of the top online pro's start a site? They can all be pros and make a killing off the business. Shocked this hasnt happened yet to be honest.

    pm DUTCH BOYD
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    Jul 9th, 2009 (7/9/2009 12:21pm) in reply to POTYH

    I think the to set up the software would be pretty easy, attracting the players would depend really on what the site had to offer, would start off slow but through word of mouth and advertising you would see vast increases in traffic over perhaps the 2nd year running it. The biggest constraint is financial. Keeping however many $millions in the accounts, would need huge bank backing, which wouldn't be easy to get imo.
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    Jul 9th, 2009 (7/9/2009 12:42pm) in reply to mathclub

    I'm assuming mathclub is mostly talking about stuff that everyone wants, yet we don't get, or it takes us years until an update gets us it. i.e. sychnronized breaks, auto-addon, sit out next big blind button, option to remove graphic for empty seats, unjoin all waitlists button

    Sites like Stars know that people want this; in fact, I remember Bryan (or maybe Scotty?) saying they are prioritizing synchronized breaks right now. I just wonder how hard is it, really, to implement it. I would think that one person working a 40-hour week should be able to alter code to make half of these things work.

    Apparently I'm wrong though.
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    Jul 9th, 2009 (7/9/2009 12:59pm) in reply to leftygrove

    Had a friend start a pokersite on the pokerroom platform. The software alone was over 500k not to mention advertising, live marketing and tons of other start up expenses. The site started to roll and left when the US govt stepped into everyones business.
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    Jul 10th, 2009 (7/10/2009 1:08pm) in reply to mathclub

    One of the biggest barriers of entry is brand recognition and player loyalty - why would someone switch from FT, UB, or PS if they are already satisfied with the games there?
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