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Reraise, fold, call????

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  1. spiderweb80 spiderweb80 is offline

    Dover, DE
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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 5:14pm)

    Been in this spot way too often lately thoughts..

    pokerstars Game #14726695317: Tournament #74499062, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1500/3000) - 2008/01/21 - 18:10:25 (ET)
    Table '74499062 15' 9-max Seat #5 is the button,

    Just got moved to the table, no reads on anyone

    Seat 1: frenkstar (66359 in chips)
    Seat 2: kalkino (50776 in chips)
    Seat 3: MickBt23 (54229 in chips)
    Seat 4: jumbojones (94466 in chips)
    Seat 5: spiderweb80 (71274 in chips)
    Seat 6: JOSEKATE (16388 in chips)
    Seat 7: jojje6 (80013 in chips)
    Seat 8: sascha26 (79470 in chips)
    Seat 9: skumbag666 (58310 in chips)
    frenkstar: posts the ante 300
    kalkino: posts the ante 300
    MickBt23: posts the ante 300
    jumbojones: posts the ante 300
    spiderweb80: posts the ante 300
    JOSEKATE: posts the ante 300
    jojje6: posts the ante 300
    sascha26: posts the ante 300
    skumbag666: posts the ante 300
    JOSEKATE: posts small blind 1500
    jojje6: posts big blind 3000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to spiderweb80 [6d 6s]
    sascha26: folds
    skumbag666: folds
    frenkstar: folds
    kalkino: folds
    MickBt23: folds
    jumbojones: raises 3000 to 6000
    spiderweb80: ??????
    JOSEKATE: folds
    jojje6: folds
     
  2. IronRing08 IronRing08 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 5:32pm) in reply to spiderweb80

    This looks like a half assed attempt to steal the blinds and call a shove from JOSKATE if need be. With your fold equity, a similar stack to you in the BB (who folded I see), and him having to call leaving himself with 20k or so I shove 66 100% of the time here. gl
     
  3. Damage1 Damage1 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 5:38pm) in reply to IronRing08

    i would rarely/never shove 66 here. most of the time you wont need to hit a set to win the pot, so i would call more often than not. you can take it from him on the flop, or if you happen to flop a set you can extract value.
  4. spiderweb80 spiderweb80 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 5:41pm) in reply to Damage1

    so your line looks like this ??

    call>reraise>fold

    thx for the reply
    Spider
     
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  5. krs33 krs33 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 5:45pm) in reply to spiderweb80

    yeah, i hate a fold here, nothin wrong with flatting
  6. stevie444 stevie444 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 7:01pm) in reply to spiderweb80

    Calling is def the worst option imo since a lot of the time you dont even get to see the flop when the short stack shoves and the other guy iso shoves or calls and you have to commit over 20% of your stack just to see a flop. Its hard without reads to say whether raising is better than folding, esp with my lack of any knowledge about the average 3r player but I probably just muck it unless you are on a bubble or something. Seems a little weak but its the line I dislike the least I think. Im probably making wrong assumptions about 3r players tho.
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  7. spiderweb80 spiderweb80 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 7:40pm) in reply to stevie444

    Thx stevie

    I thought folding here was the best option as well, pretty much for the same reasons u described above, figured 66 would only be good if i flopped a set, just thought i was commiting to many chips in a weak manner by calling,

    appreciate u taking the time to check out my thread

    spider

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  8. Zpaceman Zpaceman is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2008 (1/22/2008 5:55am) in reply to spiderweb80

    its looks like it is the stage in the tourny where you are near the bubble or already itm. with the stacks at your table its an ideal spot to "run the table" or at least "take control of the betting" in this hand. for these reasons plus your position and the SB stack size i would raise to 16-20k here. unless he 4 bets you win this hand most of the time either preflop or after the flop (a call by him oop is so weak that the flop has to hit him really hard for you not to win this hand postflop)

    if he does 4-bet its almost never a bluff (especially in the 3r) and you have a great piece of info that he min-bets in LP with strong hands.

    i dont like folding because you have a great situation to win a decent pot here. late in tournys situations > cards as far as acquiring chips is concerned.
     
  9. odiggitydog odiggitydog is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2008 (1/22/2008 6:21am) in reply to spiderweb80

    3r players are very weak. you have no read. weak players like to min raise strong hands. even if hes just afraid to raise more and has a weak hand, the presence of the short stack is a problem. if shorty shoves and the pf min raiser reships u have to fold and are spewing chips. if shorty shoves and pf min raiser just calls ur getting odds to call (yet now like steve44 said ur putting 20% of ur stack in), but u can also reship with dead money in there. however pf min raise will be gettng close to 2:1 to call. if the raiser made it 2.5/3 times the bb id be more inclined to make a move on button to co raise, but with no read on a presumed weak players min raise id prolly just release the hand.
     
  10. capacehigh capacehigh is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2008 (1/22/2008 8:18am) in reply to spiderweb80

    Fold & wait for better situation (low stakes, semi-profitable opinion). But zpaceman much better player - listen to him. :)
  11. Advanced Advanced is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2008 (1/22/2008 9:17am) in reply to capacehigh

    First option reraise to 18-20k, if he re-reraise you again, probably laydown the hand
    Second, flat call and you play after the flop with position
    and last, laydown the hand
  12. spiderweb80 spiderweb80 is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2008 (1/22/2008 10:17am) in reply to odiggitydog

    Thx for the response Stu...

    appears to be quite a bit of different trains of thought, from some very successful players on how to play this hand, wouldnt mind seeing a few more weigh in on this situation, B/c it is def. a situation that occurs and gets alot of players like myself in trouble, and I figured in this spot, 66 was just too weak. I felt like i needed ~88+ to 3x him, and be comfortable w/ him reshoving, How strong does my hand have to be here to call his shove?

    This area in my game is where i need to improve for sure.
    any opinions greatly apprecciated

    Spider
     
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  13. Marcus5 Marcus5 is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2008 (1/22/2008 11:16am) in reply to spiderweb80

    reraise to about 18 to 20k, put the pressure on him, you probly have him beat.
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