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Reraise or Push All-In?

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  1. capacehigh capacehigh is offline

    Beachwood, OH
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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 8:56am)

    1) Is reraising, like I did, with the intent of pushing all-in on the flop (i.e. provided an A or K doesn't come) a good play or is pushing all-in pre the better option?

    2) And then, my fold on the flop - justified or overly tight?

    Comments?

    *********** # 98 **************
    pokerstars Game #14707369496: Tournament #73676506, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/01/20 - 21:37:46 (ET)
    Table '73676506 162' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: BYOBOOYAH_1 (3640 in chips)
    Seat 2: CapAceHigh (9175 in chips)
    Seat 3: ELPANTERA (13010 in chips)
    Seat 4: JOPPS10 (4815 in chips)
    Seat 5: allinvue (16485 in chips)
    Seat 6: pearljamten (4465 in chips)
    Seat 7: rundre (26590 in chips)
    Seat 8: catjugg (9295 in chips)
    Seat 9: Tungsten80 (18020 in chips)
    BYOBOOYAH_1: posts the ante 25
    CapAceHigh: posts the ante 25
    ELPANTERA: posts the ante 25
    JOPPS10: posts the ante 25
    allinvue: posts the ante 25
    pearljamten: posts the ante 25
    rundre: posts the ante 25
    catjugg: posts the ante 25
    Tungsten80: posts the ante 25
    BYOBOOYAH_1: posts small blind 150
    CapAceHigh: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to CapAceHigh [Qc Qs]
    ELPANTERA: folds
    JOPPS10: folds
    allinvue: calls 300
    pearljamten: folds
    rundre: raises 900 to 1200
    catjugg: folds
    Tungsten80: folds
    BYOBOOYAH_1: folds
    CapAceHigh: raises 2400 to 3600
    allinvue: folds
    rundre: calls 2400
    *** FLOP *** [Ac Ks 7c]
    CapAceHigh: checks
    rundre: bets 2700
    CapAceHigh: folds
    rundre collected 7875 from pot
    rundre: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 7875 | Rake 0
    Board [Ac Ks 7c]
    Seat 1: BYOBOOYAH_1 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: CapAceHigh (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: ELPANTERA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: JOPPS10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: allinvue folded before Flop
    Seat 6: pearljamten folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: rundre collected (7875)
    Seat 8: catjugg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Tungsten80 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. wmmcl wmmcl is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 10:18am) in reply to capacehigh

    I probably bet 4500 here pre and jam any flop...I also try to play AK and QQ here the same way. As played, check folding sucks but I think he definitely calls your jam with AJ or AQ and you hate yourself.

    So...imho... 4500>jamming>flat calling>3600.
     
  3. capacehigh capacehigh is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 10:24am) in reply to capacehigh

    "So...imho... 4500>jamming>flat calling>3600. "

    So, let me understand your shorthand :):

    "4500>jamming" - Best Option and better than all-in pre?
    "jamming>flat calling" - second-best option and better than flat-calling pre?
    "flat calling>3600" - third-best option and better than 3x-reraise pre?
    "3600" - worst possible play to just 3x reraise pre?

    Thanks for the response.
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  4. Chimp__greg Chimp__greg is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 10:35am) in reply to capacehigh

    I probably just shove flop but I'm spewy like that.

    Shoving pre is fine, I like raising to 4k better.
     
  5. Canton1668 Canton1668 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 10:52am) in reply to capacehigh

    I actually like the 3x reraise. 3x is a standard reraise. i think anything more than that is too much, unless there r more players. but in this case there isnt. As a lot of live pros like doyle, helmuth, etc, dont like to go all in preflop that often unless they have KKs or AAs. a lot of internet players overuse the all-in/jam preflop (i heard doyle say this on tv).

    Another thing is that if ur going to reraise preflop, ur almost obligated to fire again on the flop. so i wouldve fired a continuation bet on the flop. he could have easily held any pocket pair. his small bet is pretty suspicious too.

    The real problem is not whether betting 3x more, 4x more, jamming, etc. its betting on the flop
  6. capacehigh capacehigh is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 11:02am) in reply to Canton1668

    "The real problem is not whether betting 3x more, 4x more, jamming, etc. its betting on the flop "

    I agree, I didn't like folding on the flop, but my plan essentially was to go all-in on the flop as long as an A or K didn't come on the flop. It did, so I shut down. Weak - I know. :(.

    Fyi, the big stack hadn't been very aggressive, but he did recently (say ~10 hands prior to this hand) come to our table. So that factored into my decision to check-fold. I also thought the 2.7K bet was suspicious, but that suspicion could go either way: i.e. value-bet to induce a call or weakness. Didn't have enough play against him to tell either way.
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