This is the most amazing flop I've ever seen. There's no way I win in any scenario. My question is -- should I have just called the raise -- or was the shove appropriate??
Thanks for the feedback.
Full Tilt Poker Game #3529473164: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (26954953), Table 1 -
50/100 - No Limit Hold'em 1- 11:37:02 ET - 2007/09/1
Seat 1: RUSH2100 (1,615)
Seat 2: Shifty69McGee (2,100)
Seat 3: caseace78 (1,825)
Seat 4: moose3356 (2,130)
Seat 5: dagens_visa (2,130)
Seat 9: dflipper (3,700)
dflipper posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to caseace78 [Jc Jh]
Shifty69McGee has 15 seconds left to act
Shifty69McGee calls 100
caseace78 calls 100
moose3356 raises to 400
Shifty69McGee calls 300
caseace78 has 15 seconds left to act
caseace78 raises to 1,825, and is all in
moose3356 has 15 seconds left to act
moose3356 calls 1,425
caseace78 shows [Jc Jh]
moose3356 shows [Qd Kd]
*** FLOP *** [Td Jd Ad]
*** TURN *** [Td Jd Ad] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [Td Jd Ad 8c] [Qc]
caseace78 shows three of a kind, Jacks
moose3356 shows a Royal Flush
moose3356 wins the pot (4,150) with a Royal Flush
caseace78 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,150 | Rake 0
Board: [Td Jd Ad 8c Qc]
Seat 1: RUSH2100 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Shifty69McGee folded before the Flop
Seat 3: caseace78 showed [Jc Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 4: moose3356 showed [Qd Kd] and won (4,150) with a Royal Flush
Seat 5: dagens_visa (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: dflipper (big blind) folded before the Flop
Either shove or fold, any other significant pre-flop raise and you'd be pot committed post flop anyway. Flat call is good if you just want to see the flop, but if you are playing to win, I would have gone with the shove. The range of the raiser is so wide in these low limit SNG's you're almost always 50/50 or 60/40 if you shove all in pre. Even if you just call pre, you are prob going broke on that flop anyway.
The only I way I escape here would be to fold to what I thought was a flush or flush draw.
Raise the first time the action comes around to you pre flop? JJ owns pre flop at 2$ sngs you will get so much value from loose callers, limping behind is going to cost you.
yeah- I should have.-- maybe woulda bet him out before he could raise. My thinking was was that i should just limp with 2 bigger stacks already in the pot.
You most likely couldnt have bet him out anyways...
Same result either way you play the hand. Even if you flat call you are going to get it in anyways if you flop trips.
Anyway way you cut it - I'm losing this hand. If I shove pre-flop..maybe he folds. Thats the only way I come out on top.
I try to avoid shoving preflop though - and JJ wasnt strong enough for me to do so.
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
Shove or fold, but here I like shove!
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