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Ridiculous spot in Super Tuesday EDIT: 2 Ridiculous spots in the super tuesday

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  1. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:14pm)

    Call or Fold?

    pokerstars Game #13367575613: Tournament #67252087, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/11/20 - 21:09:07 (ET)
    Table '67252087 15' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: stingray2307 (4100 in chips)
    Seat 2: 10nogood10 (5023 in chips)
    Seat 3: jonop56 (2055 in chips)
    Seat 4: schnizeltoe (3800 in chips)
    Seat 5: ShiP ThA $$$ (3960 in chips)
    Seat 6: SirWatts (2442 in chips)
    Seat 7: muchakja (5525 in chips)
    Seat 8: luchador420 (2240 in chips)
    Seat 9: Tmay420 (6355 in chips)
    schnizeltoe: posts small blind 50
    ShiP ThA $$$: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ShiP ThA $$$ [7d 7c]
    SirWatts: raises 200 to 300
    muchakja: folds
    luchador420: calls 300
    Tmay420: calls 300
    stingray2307: folds
    10nogood10: folds
    jonop56: folds
    schnizeltoe: folds
    ShiP ThA $$$: calls 200
    *** FLOP *** [5h 7h Th]
    ShiP ThA $$$: checks
    SirWatts: bets 1000
    luchador420: raises 940 to 1940 and is all-in
    Tmay420: raises 4115 to 6055 and is all-in
    ShiP ThA $$$:
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  2. TinCupped TinCupped is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:17pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    I think you have to fold here, somebody has to have you crushed, plus it's too early on to gamble. But im an idiot, you would know better.
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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:21pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    Since you're currently in third I'd have to say nice call.
  4. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:23pm) in reply to computerb

    computerb thanks for bein a fuckin moron
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  5. tekiller tekiller is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:24pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    oyf tuff spot i dunno honestly prolly just say f it and gamble but i suck so meh
  6. TinCupped TinCupped is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:24pm) in reply to computerb

    like I said im an idiot, he probably made an intense call
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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:27pm) in reply to tekiller

    i def don't like to, but i fold here =(.
  8. Ollie79 Ollie79 is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:27pm) in reply to tekiller

    A lot of it would depend on your playing style. I've never seen you play but are you someone who picks up untold equity by having the biggest stack at the table like you would if you called here and won? That should influence your decision.

    As to the hand, generally with this much action you are in trouble and at best will need to fade a load of outs twice, or you are crushed and are looking to fill up or even hit a one outer.

    All other things being equal I'd fold here personally.
  9. K-Rock2525 K-Rock2525 is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:32pm) in reply to Ollie79

    This is a 100 percent muck. Don't see how this is that tough of a spot really.
     
  10. lose_to_overset lose_to_overset is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:34pm) in reply to Ollie79

    I would gamble here, looks like TMay has the flush but you can still boat up.
  11. Nakamator Nakamator is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:34pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    Pretty sick but i would have folded here.. Tmay is a tight player as far as i know. I dont think he is doing something like that w/ 2 over and the flush draw. He would have played a set of tens the same way.. u r still in good shape to keep playing... but i dunno... when the timebank is beeping in ur head is more difficult to analize this situation like we r doing here but.. pretty sick spot actually.... I would hate to do that but i would have folded, i guess....
     
  12. TeddyKGB109 TeddyKGB109 is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:35pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    this is a fold. you only have 200 chips invested, and still have almost 40 big blinds.
     
  13. adam_mc adam_mc is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:42pm) in reply to TeddyKGB109

    You are also getting an absurd price to pair the board. I call and get a super stack in level 5!

    A smaller flush who acted early may also fold, and one of the later hand may have Ahx and you could iso with the best of it!
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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:46pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    I think there is a pretty good chance you are good here, at least a good enough chance to call more than not. TMay or Luchador could be smooth calling something like QQ or KK here preflop, and SirWatts could have a wide range of hands to c-bet that flop. I'm saying you call here and see something like 55 and an Ace High flush draw or something like 55 and QQ, but its definitely tough because of course you are going to run into 10 10 sometimes too. I really am not scared of SirWatts here though. Just the thoughts of a donk. Can't wait to see what actually happened.
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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 8:55pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    i call
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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 9:03pm) in reply to TinCupped

    I call and laugh when Tmay has 55 and the other dude has QQ.

    But i'm just guessing.
  17. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 9:05pm) in reply to benglbc

    Ok first hand i call and held vs tmay lower set and other dudes QQ like someone who was watching the hand already stated.

    SRSLY WTF ?????????

    pokerstars Game #13368526982: Tournament #67252087, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/11/20 - 22:00:38 (ET)
    Table '67252087 32' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: babycats (5040 in chips)
    Seat 2: pokerguru69 (4870 in chips)
    Seat 3: sheets (1585 in chips)
    Seat 4: JOEYTHEB (3345 in chips)
    Seat 5: RAZITUP2007 (9100 in chips)
    Seat 6: schnizeltoe (7627 in chips)
    Seat 7: LuckyLady519 (8900 in chips)
    Seat 8: amichaiKK (9510 in chips)
    Seat 9: ShiP ThA $$$ (12110 in chips)
    babycats: posts small blind 100
    pokerguru69: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ShiP ThA $$$ [Qs Qh]
    sheets: folds
    JOEYTHEB: folds
    RAZITUP2007: folds
    schnizeltoe: folds
    LuckyLady519: raises 250 to 450
    amichaiKK: raises 750 to 1200
    ShiP ThA $$$: raises 1800 to 3000
    babycats: folds
    pokerguru69: folds
    LuckyLady519: raises 5900 to 8900 and is all-in
    amichaiKK: raises 610 to 9510 and is all-in
    ShiP ThA $$$: GETTING LIKE 3:5 TO 1.....DO I HAVE TO CALL HERE?
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  18. TheConArtist TheConArtist is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 9:11pm) in reply to benglbc

    This is an absolutely ridiculously gross spot. No way in hell SirWatts is going to C bet into this many opponents without at least an overpair and probably a flush draw to go with it. Probably AA-QQ with a heart. He may also have TTT or the made flush already with AQhh or something although both are less liekly than overpair and a flush draw imo.

    The first shover is really short and could have any pair flush draw combo or even the naked A of hearts so I think he is the least of our worries. Tmay however looks like he has to have a set or a made flush and if thats his range you are fucked. I dunno what to do here, you are getting great odds to boat up if no one has TTT and you aren't necessarily up against a made flush so I don't think it would be terrible to get it in here. That said I really think Tmays range is made flushes and sets only so you are pretty much fucked and have to fold.

    I don't mind a call but think a fold is better overall but really I could still be convinced either way and my analysis of everyones ranges is probably innaccurate.
  19. TheConArtist TheConArtist is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 9:12pm) in reply to TheConArtist

    Second hand, no you don't have to call you are crushed and 3.5 to 1 is not enough.
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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 9:15pm) in reply to TheConArtist

    id call hand 1 not even close

    hand 2 gross, ur raise is gross too... i fold
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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 9:17pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    hand 1...tired so excuse simple analysis

    ship....i like leading flop i mean that board blows but w/e
    sirwatts...pretty big hand QQ+ with heart or AhKx
    luchador...also big hand including JJ i guess as im not sure how good said player is
    tmay...has to have 55/TT as im givin credit to watts/luch for havin A or K heart and dont think
    tmay is donkin it pre with somethin like JQh (his call pre with w/e is pretty bad imo bc of 2
    other effective stacks in the hand i think)

    sick spot man i think id prob make a crying call

    hand 2...ez fold
     
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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 9:25pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    1) Watts TT+/AKhh, luchador QQ+, Tmay 55/TT maybe a flush if he made a preflop mistake.

    So call.

    2) Fold to reraise, as played fold.
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    Nov 20th, 2007 (11/20/2007 9:27pm) in reply to busto_soon

    busto soon you fold QQ pre in hand 2???
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  24. busto_soon busto_soon is offline

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    Nov 21st, 2007 (11/21/2007 1:18am) in reply to Ship Happens

    yea, it's push or fold and I don't think you can shove profitably.
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    Nov 21st, 2007 (11/21/2007 6:07am) in reply to Ship Happens

    i would call based on the assumption that i'm ahead of Tmay420 here (who wouldnt be allin if he had the nuts i guess, but might be holding the ace of hearts) and sirwatts made a c-bet but that doesn't mean much. i'd pray that nobody hit the flush and call to win a huge pot.imho.
  26. Thiag Thiag is offline

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    Nov 21st, 2007 (11/21/2007 6:13am) in reply to Ship Happens

    i would hope for Jacks or Tens and Ace King and call here. i still have some chips left if i loose but with 30k id dominate the table and have a good chance to go deep.imho.
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    Nov 21st, 2007 (11/21/2007 7:07am) in reply to Thiag

    1 Call and be happy to see the overpair

    2 fold, both big stacks and one of them has KK/AA I really dont like that mini-raise then push-- shows huge strength
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    Nov 21st, 2007 (11/21/2007 11:09am) in reply to Doc Holladay

    call in 1,fold in 2, allllll day
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  29. truesyalose truesyalose is offline

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    Nov 21st, 2007 (11/21/2007 11:35am) in reply to the_dean22

    ok can someone better than me explain a couple things about these hands that I don't understand even after looking at them numerous times...

    hand #1-why would tmay call with 55 to an utg raise from a short stack(which was called by a similar shortstack). I would never flat call in this spot and would like to know the thought behind the flat call. (the stacks of the 2 players in the pot are not deep enough to set mine and their ranges crush 55)

    hand #2 - when reraising to 3k with QQ are you planning on calling a shove from amichaiKK ship?? Making it 3k seems like a waste to me but I would love to know the thought process behind both of these plays
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