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Right or wrong to shove on the flop here

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  1. The Knish The Knish is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2008 (1/31/2008 9:45pm)

    <SPAN class=postbody>To sum it up I knew darn well the villian was likely to reraise me from the BB with nothing but air and he did.

    My read on this guy was really strong and I almost shipped this prior to the flop but I figured I should see the flop and give myself a chance to get away if it wasn't favorable. That may well have been my mistake but it is the path I chose on this hand.

    The flop was not bad for me and it gets checks from the villian. Given my stack size I'm pretty much pot committed by making any decent bet at the pot and felt I would have to call if the villian check raised me so given all my outs I saw this as a shove.

    Of course with no hesitation at all the villian insta calls with Q5 on the flop for top pair and crap kicker. I never make my straight or flush and poof I'm gone.

    Was the line I took on this hand correct?

    Should I have taken a free card to see the turn?

    pokerstars Game #14962028614: Tournament #75734751, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/01/31 - 16:05:23 (ET)
    Table '75734751 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: banty (6970 in chips)
    Seat 2: Bluewave (10810 in chips)
    Seat 3: schlurbder (10705 in chips)
    Seat 4: jjvengalil (13940 in chips)
    Seat 5: sh00ter (6120 in chips)
    Seat 6: Emanuelebert (20270 in chips)
    Seat 7: SkillVille (3750 in chips)
    Seat 9: tpiris (3893 in chips)
    banty: posts the ante 25
    Bluewave: posts the ante 25
    schlurbder: posts the ante 25
    jjvengalil: posts the ante 25
    sh00ter: posts the ante 25
    Emanuelebert: posts the ante 25
    SkillVille: posts the ante 25
    tpiris: posts the ante 25
    schlurbder: posts small blind 150
    jjvengalil: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Bluewave [As Ts]
    sh00ter: folds
    Jaybone2315 [observer] said, "just once.. i want to know what it feels like to suckout when im all in"
    Emanuelebert: folds
    SkillVille: folds
    tpiris: folds
    banty: folds
    Bluewave: raises 500 to 800
    schlurbder: folds
    jjvengalil: raises 1700 to 2500
    Bluewave: calls 1700
    *** FLOP *** [3s Js Qh]
    jjvengalil: checks
    Bluewave: bets 8285 and is all-in
    jjvengalil: calls 8285
    *** TURN *** [3s Js Qh] [5d]
    UltimateJon [observer] said, "get online punk"
    *** RIVER *** [3s Js Qh 5d] [4d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    jjvengalil: shows [Qd 5s] (two pair, Queens and Fives)
    Bluewave: shows [As Ts] (high card Ace)
    jjvengalil collected 21920 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 21920 | Rake 0
    Board [3s Js Qh 5d 4d]
    Seat 1: banty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Bluewave (button) showed [As Ts] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 3: schlurbder (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: jjvengalil (big blind) showed [Qd 5s] and won (21920) with two pair, Queens and Fives
    Seat 5: sh00ter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Emanuelebert folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: SkillVille folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: tpiris folded before Flop (didn't bet)</SPAN>
  2. Goodburger Goodburger is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2008 (1/31/2008 10:00pm) in reply to The Knish

    i wouldnt mind a check to see a card then if he checks, a shove turn, or if he checks turn, maybe a check turn too...

    im drunk so yea
  3. popesizzle popesizzle is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2008 (1/31/2008 10:04pm) in reply to Goodburger

    min bet the flop then bet the turn hard. im probably more drunk than goodburger so yea....
  4. The Knish The Knish is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2008 (1/31/2008 10:08pm) in reply to Goodburger

    LMAO,

    is there anyone that isn't drunk yet that can comment on this?
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  5. Goodburger Goodburger is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2008 (1/31/2008 10:14pm) in reply to The Knish

    i cna get really drunk if you want and then offer advice...ill do it antyways but oh well
  6. xxjondxx xxjondxx is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2008 (1/31/2008 10:23pm) in reply to The Knish

    ide rather fold/shove pre, but i mean thats pretty much the best flop your gonna get so obv get it in.
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  7. Damage1 Damage1 is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2008 (1/31/2008 10:25pm) in reply to xxjondxx

    4bet or fold pre
  8. The Knish The Knish is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2008 (1/31/2008 10:45pm) in reply to Damage1

    Damage

    you pretty much hit the nail on the head of what I regretted most. While I was trying to mix things up a bit with my preflop raises in this spot I should have raised at least 3.4 -4x's and might have avoided the whole mess.

    On the other hand the villian in this case is very pissy about their blinds and I've seen them on sevral occasions shove back with junk and be willing to exit early just for the sake of defending their blinds with a bad hand.

    Still I should have raised more
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