pokerstars Game #55805582671: Tournament #402010433, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2011/01/12 13:25:28 ET
Table '402010433 23' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: sizzlinbetta (2960 in chips)
Seat 2: menslone (2565 in chips)
Seat 3: pOmPaNoPiMp (3065 in chips)
Seat 4: Feniks208 (2905 in chips)
Seat 5: mtv97 (1625 in chips)
Seat 6: SlevinUp (3045 in chips)
Seat 7: bustuw72 (2885 in chips)
Seat 8: Loose1990 (7910 in chips)
Seat 9: okse54 (3040 in chips)
bustuw72: posts small blind 20
Loose1990: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to okse54 [Jc Jh]
okse54: raises 60 to 100
sizzlinbetta: folds
menslone: folds
pOmPaNoPiMp: calls 100
Feniks208: folds
mtv97 has timed out
mtv97: folds
mtv97 is sitting out
SlevinUp: folds
bustuw72: folds
Loose1990: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [3s Js 5c]
mtv97 has returned
Loose1990: checks
okse54: bets 180
pOmPaNoPiMp: calls 180
Loose1990: folds
*** TURN *** [3s Js 5c] [8h]
okse54: bets 360
pOmPaNoPiMp: calls 360
*** RIVER *** [3s Js 5c 8h] [Qs]
okse54: ????

dont rly know much on the villian, i OPR'd him and found he has about 4500 MTTS at ABI $80 with a 7% ROI.

so while hes not an elite player he prob has somewhat of a clue and isnt just clicking buttons

wats your play on the river

I would bet more on the turn. Here check-calling seems better than betting and then folding to a huge raise. Checking also gives him the opportunity to bluff his less strong hands which he might fold if we bet. He is either raising or folding to a river bet in most cases, and we wont be very comfortable calling a raise here.

I bet/fold. Prob a lot of hands that can call a bet but won't bet the river because they have showdown value but prob wont be good if they bet and are called.

 

Originally Posted by The Lab Rat

I bet/fold these spots. A lot of players aren't capable of bluff raising the river and if he had a set he most likely wouldve raised an earlier street.

this is part of the reason im not so sure about B/F. how many hands in his range that hypothetically would call a river bet wouldnt raise on an earlier street.

sets prob raise somewhere, i dont see all that many if any 2prs in his range and even 2prs might not just flat all the way down. and how many single pairs are calling a 3rd barrel on that river

the only hand that prob could play that way and pay me off is JQ and im not even sure thats really in his range, i guess maybe like QQ/KK but meh im not rly feeling those

are there hands that likely call a river bet here?

Hes plenty chips, so he could be chasing draws.
Dont think its impossible he has a smaller set is it? (he said bowing to Labs/& your much greater experience) youve raised both the flop & turn.
Theres 1400 chips in the pot on my reconing, why not bet 250 as if you want a call, if he shoves over that, I think you should seriously consider folding.
Edit. But still think a smaller set is favourite and I would call if he shoved.

 

Originally Posted by okse54

this is part of the reason im not so sure about B/F. how many hands in his range that hypothetically would call a river bet wouldnt raise on an earlier street.

sets prob raise somewhere, i dont see all that many if any 2prs in his range and even 2prs might not just flat all the way down. and how many single pairs are calling a 3rd barrel on that river

the only hand that prob could play that way and pay me off is JQ and im not even sure thats really in his range, i guess maybe like QQ/KK but meh im not rly feeling those

are there hands that likely call a river bet here?

I only see QJ for calling otr..

 

Originally Posted by DFH

What was the end result?

Pretty sur okse check and the villain maid a big riverbet...

 

Originally Posted by The Lab Rat

I bet/fold these spots. A lot of players aren't capable of bluff raising the river and if he had a set he most likely wouldve raised an earlier street.

I would follow the Rat line in this spot.

for those of you that said to check/call the river, what bluffs do you expect him to ever turn up with?(64s maybe?) bet/folding is so much better than check/calling. You can always get called by worse on the river and check/folding just seems to weak with a set

what lab rat said and c/f is absurd

sry if i forgot to write this but i def could see myself c/f here, depends on the bet villain fires. really hard to put him on a hand here and an ugly river. no way he has a straight, doesnt make sense, but some ppl get married to flush draws and dont know if hes one of them. is 7% roi on ABI 80$ good? no clue, my abi is much lower. only hands that make sense somehow are pairs which turned into sets (or maybe not lol), 45s+, TJ, JQ... BUT i think a made hand woulda bet the flop in position on such a board, and how tf will he call a river bet with TJ on that board.. most likely will check behind with such a hand on that board but thats ok for me in such an ugly spot. that bein said i will prolly fold to every bet that is more than 1/2 pot cause its a value bet too often, here i really see the advantage to see his hand, what wont be the case if i fire the same bet im ready to call and then have to fold to a reraise... would be funny if he has QQ or something else absurd... dont attack me if im wrong here just posting my opinion, many said they would bet/fold but i see more disadvantages than advantages in taking that line

b/f >>>> c/f and you should probably be b/c against some villians

lol @ c/f, seriously? he flopped top triples. if you check, it's gotta be w/ the intention of snapping IMO. giving this guy an awful lot of credit to be folding three jacks on the river

If you bet/call, you beat nothing but 46o. I don't even think Pimp would raise that river with JQ and he most like is not going that line with 33 or 55

I'm bet calling against this type of villain and am shocked that I am in the minority here.

This type of villain is going to almost always raise this flop with a FD (and he didn't), there are no plausible straights that got there and OP is barreling XJ/overpairs here 100% of the time. Once OP bets the river a higher buy-in villain is going to bluff this a whole lot of the time to blow us off of these exact hands. Villain doesn't expect you to have JJJ here (and almost never a flush) on a 3 street barrel so he is bluffing a hand that he doesn't expect to fold. So bet and don't fold.

This is a b/f although shallow stack sizes by the river make it awkward. I probably end up bet/spite calling because the price is absurd. Def bet more on the turn.

BTW if I was in the villain's shoes with 55 I would certainly consider just calling the turn as well ... not every reg takes the absurdly transparent CIB line on the turn.

I would bet around 685-735 on river here and pretty confident too...if villain raises or jams then insta fold... but I just don't see too many hands in his range that can beat you with that board unless he made his flush with some sort of combo. Def a tough spot but I would go with b/f.