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According to Jay Bailey at the National Right for Online Gaming, the Safe Ports Act (H.R. 4954), which contains the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, is expected to be signed into law by President Bush on Friday, October 13th.
In the meantime, please remain calm regarding this issue. These online poker sites are not going to "steal" anyone's money and its impact on Neteller and Firepay long-term is in question. We will continue to update you with more information as we know it.
On this week's edition of the Podcast (www.pocketfives.com/podcast), we'll have Poker Players Alliance President Michael Bolcerek, National Right for Online Gaming Executive Director Brian Jakusik, and Gambling Law Authority Professor Nelson Rose. This is a must listen to for everyone on PocketFives, as you will hear straight from our sources and industry experts all about how this legislation will and will not affect you. The show will be available a bit after midnight Wednesday. -
Thank you to Adam, Dan, Cal and Riley who have put in a lot of extra hours this week on this issue. I am very much looking forward to the podcast as I think it will provide the community with a lot of valuable information.
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You know what? DITTO! Thanks for all the effort keeping on top of the latest guys! It's appreciated!
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Are you sure it's going to be that late? I thought the President only had 10 days to sign it before it becomes a pocket veto...just checking.
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personally I was hopin for April 1st
seriously, keep up the great work guys -
hmmm, think I'll go on a white house tour that day.
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There is still a line item veto that can be exercised? lets hope this is what their plans are.
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Lets just all play poker till they wont let us.
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Where can I find the text of this bill - HR 4954?
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"In the meantime, please remain calm regarding this issue"
Soon many or most of the the largest internet poker sites in the world will no longer let US citizens play.
There is no effective group working this, the self-promoting PPA is uselss, andapparently 10-20 million americans have forgotten how to vote or lobby .
No big deal.
* and when you edit your posts here, the spacing gets screwed up..... -
thomas.loc.gov for all things congressional...
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...mp/~c109BuTgN5::
and the text itself (apologies if this is too long...)
<H4> <CENTER>TITLE VIII--UNLAWFUL INTERNET GAMBLING ENFORCEMENT</CENTER></H4>
<CENTER>SEC. 801. SHORT TITLE.</CENTER>- This title may be cited as the `Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006'.
- (a) In General- Chapter 53 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
<H4>`Sec. 5361. Congressional findings and purpose</H4>- `(a) Findings- Congress finds the following:
- `(1) Internet gambling is primarily funded through personal use of payment system instruments, credit cards, and wire transfers.
- `(2) The National Gambling Impact Study Commission in 1999 recommended the passage of legislation to prohibit wire transfers to Internet gambling sites or the banks which represent such sites.
- `(3) Internet gambling is a growing cause of debt collection problems for insured depository institutions and the consumer credit industry.
- `(4) New mechanisms for enforcing gambling laws on the Internet are necessary because traditional law enforcement mechanisms are often inadequate for enforcing gambling prohibitions or regulations on the Internet, especially where such gambling crosses State or national borders.
- `(b) Rule of Construction- No provision of this subchapter shall be construed as altering, limiting, or extending any Federal or State law or Tribal-State compact prohibiting, permitting, or regulating gambling within the United States.
- `In this subchapter:
- `(1) BET OR WAGER- The term `bet or wager'--
- `(A) means the staking or risking by any person of something of value upon the outcome of a contest of others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance, upon an agreement or understanding that the person or another person will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome;
- `(B) includes the purchase of a chance or opportunity to win a lottery or other prize (which opportunity to win is predominantly subject to chance);
- `(C) includes any scheme of a type described in section 3702 of title 28;
- `(D) includes any instructions or information pertaining to the establishment or movement of funds by the bettor or customer in, to, or from an account with the business of betting or wagering; and
- `(E) does not include--
- `(i) any activity governed by the securities laws (as that term is defined in section 3(a)(47) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 for the purchase or sale of securities (as that term is defined in section 3(a)(10) of that Act);
- `(ii) any transaction conducted on or subject to the rules of a registered entity or exempt board of trade under the Commodity Exchange Act;
- `(iii) any over-the-counter derivative instrument;
- `(iv) any other transaction that--
- `(I) is excluded or exempt from regulation under the Commodity Exchange Act; or
- `(II) is exempt from State gaming or bucket shop laws under section 12(e) of the Commodity Exchange Act or section 28(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934;
- `(v) any contract of indemnity or guarantee;
- `(vi) any contract for insurance;
- `(vii) any deposit or other transaction with an insured depository institution;
- `(viii) participation in any game or contest in which participants do not stake or risk anything of value other than--
- `(I) personal efforts of the participants in playing the game or contest or obtaining access to the Internet; or
- `(II) points or credits that the sponsor of the game or contest provides to participants free of charge and that can be used or redeemed only for participation in games or contests offered by the sponsor; or
- `(ix) participation in any fantasy or simulation sports game or educational game or contest in which (if the game or contest involves a team or teams) no fantasy or simulation sports team is based on the current membership of an actual team that is a member of an amateur or professional sports organization (as those terms are defined in section 3701 of title 28) and that meets the following conditions:
- `(I) All prizes and awards offered to winning participants are established and made known to the participants in advance of the game or contest and their value is not determined by the number of participants or the amount of any fees paid by those participants.
- `(II) All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.
- `(III) No winning outcome is based--
<TTITLE>`(bb) solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event.</TTITLE>- `(2) BUSINESS OF BETTING OR WAGERING- The term `business of betting or wagering' does not include the activities of a financial transaction provider, or any interactive computer service or telecommunications service.
- `(3) DESIGNATED PAYMENT SYSTEM- The term `designated payment system' means any system utilized by a financial transaction provider that the Secretary and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, in consultation with the Attorney General, jointly determine, by regulation or order, could be utilized in connection with, or to facilitate, any restricted transaction.
- `(4) FINANCIAL TRANSACTION PROVIDER- The term `financial transaction provider' means a creditor, credit card issuer, financial institution, operator of a terminal at which an electronic fund transfer may be initiated, money transmitting business, or international, national, regional, or local payment network utilized to effect a credit transaction, electronic fund transfer, stored value product transaction, or money transmitting service, or a participant in such network, or other participant in a designated payment system.
- `(5) INTERNET- The term `Internet' means the international computer network of interoperable packet switched data networks.
- `(6) INTERACTIVE COMPUTER SERVICE- The term `interactive computer service' has the meaning given the term in section 230(f) of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 230(f)).
- `(7) RESTRICTED TRANSACTION- The term `restricted transaction' means any transaction or transmittal involving any credit, funds, instrument, or proceeds described in any paragraph of section 5363 which the recipient is prohibited from accepting under section 5363.
- `(8) SECRETARY- The term `Secretary' means the Secretary of the Treasury.
- `(9) STATE- The term `State' means any State of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any commonwealth, territory, or other possession of the United States.
- `(10) UNLAWFUL INTERNET GAMBLING-
- `(A) IN GENERAL- The term `unlawful Internet gambling' means to place, receive, or otherwise knowingly transmit a bet or wager by any means which involves the use, at least in part, of the Internet where such bet or wager is unlawful under any applicable Federal or State law in the State or Tribal lands in which the bet or wager is initiated, received, or otherwise made.
- `(B) INTRASTATE TRANSACTIONS- The term `unlawful Internet gambling' does not include placing, receiving, or otherwise transmitting a bet or wager where--
- `(i) the bet or wager is initiated and received or otherwise made exclusively within a single State;
- `(ii) the bet or wager and the method by which the bet or wager is initiated and received or otherwise made is expressly authorized by and placed in accordance with the laws of such State, and the State law or regulations include--
- `(I) age and location verification requirements reasonably designed to block access to minors and persons located out of such State; and
- `(II) appropriate data security standards to prevent unauthorized access by any person whose age and current location has not been verified in accordance with such State's law or regulations; and
- `(iii) the bet or wager does not violate any provision of--
- `(I) the Interstate Horseracing Act of 1978 (15 U.S.C. 3001 et seq.);
- `(II) chapter 178 of title 28 (commonly known as the `Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act');
- `(III) the Gambling Devices Transportation Act (15 U.S.C. 1171 et seq.); or
- `(IV) the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (25 U.S.C. 2701 et seq.).
- `(C) INTRATRIBAL TRANSACTIONS- The term `unlawful Internet gambling' does not include placing, receiving, or otherwise transmitting a bet or wager where--
- `(i) the bet or wager is initiated and received or otherwise made exclusively--
- `(I) within the Indian lands of a single Indian tribe (as such terms are defined under the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act); or
- `(II) between the Indian lands of 2 or more Indian tribes to the extent that intertribal gaming is authorized by the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act;
- `(ii) the bet or wager and the method by which the bet or wager is initiated and received or otherwise made is expressly authorized by and complies with the requirements of--
- `(I) the applicable tribal ordinance or resolution approved by the Chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission; and
- `(II) with respect to class III gaming, the applicable Tribal-State Compact;
- `(iii) the applicable tribal ordinance or resolution or Tribal-State Compact includes--
- `(I) age and location verification requirements reasonably designed to block access to minors and persons located out of the applicable Tribal lands; and
- `(II) appropriate data security standards to prevent unauthorized access by any person whose age and current location has not been verified in accordance with the applicable tribal ordinance or resolution or Tribal-State Compact; and
- `(iv) the bet or wager does not violate any provision of--
- `(I) the Interstate Horseracing Act of 1978 (15 U.S.C. 3001 et seq.);
- `(II) chapter 178 of title 28 (commonly known as the `Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act');
- `(III) the Gambling Devices Transportation Act (15 U.S.C. 1171 et seq.); or
- `(IV) the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (25 U.S.C. 2701 et seq.).
- `(D) INTERSTATE HORSERACING-
- `(i) IN GENERAL- The term `unlawful Internet gambling' shall not include any activity that is allowed under the Interstate Horseracing Act of 1978 (15 U.S.C. 3001 et seq.).
- `(ii) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION REGARDING PREEMPTION- Nothing in this subchapter may be construed to preempt any State law prohibiting gambling.
- `(iii) SENSE OF CONGRESS- It is the sense of Congress that this subchapter shall not change which activities related to horse racing may or may not be allowed under Federal law. This subparagraph is intended to address concerns that this subchapter could have the effect of changing the existing relationship between the Interstate Horseracing Act and other Federal statutes in effect on the date of the enactment of this subchapter. This subchapter is not intended to change that relationship. This subchapter is not intended to resolve any existing disagreements over how to interpret the relationship between the Interstate Horseracing Act and other Federal statutes.
- `(E) INTERMEDIATE ROUTING- The intermediate routing of electronic data shall not determine the location or locations in which a bet or wager is initiated, received, or otherwise made.
- `(11) OTHER TERMS-
- `(A) CREDIT; CREDITOR; CREDIT CARD; AND CARD ISSUER- The terms `credit', `creditor', `credit card', and `card issuer' have the meanings given the terms in section 103 of the Truth in Lending Act (15 U.S.C. 1602).
- `(B) ELECTRONIC FUND TRANSFER- The term `electronic fund transfer'--
- `(i) has the meaning given the term in section 903 of the Electronic Fund Transfer Act (15 U.S.C. 1693a), except that the term includes transfers that would otherwise be excluded under section 903(6)(E) of that Act; and
- `(ii) includes any fund transfer covered by Article 4A of the Uniform Commercial Code, as in effect in any State.
- `(C) FINANCIAL INSTITUTION- The term `financial institution' has the meaning given the term in section 903 of the Electronic Fund Transfer Act, except that such term does not include a casino, sports book, or other business at or through which bets or wagers may be placed or received.
- `(D) INSURED DEPOSITORY INSTITUTION- The term `insured depository institution'--
- `(i) has the meaning given the term in section 3(c) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (12 U.S.C. 1813(c)); and
- `(ii) includes an insured credit union (as defined in section 101 of the Federal Credit Union Act).
- `(E) MONEY TRANSMITTING BUSINESS AND MONEY TRANSMITTING SERVICE- The terms `money transmitting business' and `money transmitting service' have the meanings given the terms in section 5330(d) (determined without regard to any regulations prescribed by the Secretary thereunder).
- `No person engaged in the business of betting or wagering may knowingly accept, in connection with the participation of another person in unlawful Internet gambling--
- `(1) credit, or the proceeds of credit, extended to or on behalf of such other person (including credit extended through the use of a credit card);
- `(2) an electronic fund transfer, or funds transmitted by or through a money transmitting business, or the proceeds of an electronic fund transfer or money transmitting service, from or on behalf of such other person;
- `(3) any check, draft, or similar instrument which is drawn by or on behalf of such other person and is drawn on or payable at or through any financial institution; or
- `(4) the proceeds of any other form of financial transaction, as the Secretary and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System may jointly prescribe by regulation, which involves a financial institution as a payor or financial intermediary on behalf of or for the benefit of such other person.
- `(a) Regulations- Before the end of the 270-day period beginning on the date of the enactment of this subchapter, the Secretary and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, in consultation with the Attorney General, shall prescribe regulations (which the Secretary and the Board jointly determine to be appropriate) requiring each designated payment system, and all participants therein, to identify and block or otherwise prevent or prohibit restricted transactions through the establishment of policies and procedures reasonably designed to identify and block or otherwise prevent or prohibit the acceptance of restricted transactions in any of the following ways:
- `(1) The establishment of policies and procedures that--
- `(A) allow the payment system and any person involved in the payment system to identify restricted transactions by means of codes in authorization messages or by other means; and
- `(B) block restricted transactions identified as a result of the policies and procedures developed pursuant to subparagraph (A).
- `(2) The establishment of policies and procedures that prevent or prohibit the acceptance of the products or services of the payment system in connection with a restricted transaction.
- `(b) Requirements for Policies and Procedures- In prescribing regulations under subsection (a), the Secretary and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System shall--
- `(1) identify types of policies and procedures, including nonexclusive examples, which would be deemed, as applicable, to be reasonably designed to identify and block or otherwise prevent or prohibit the acceptance of the products or services with respect to each type of restricted transaction;
- `(2) to the extent practical, permit any participant in a payment system to choose among alternative means of identifying and blocking, or otherwise preventing or prohibiting the acceptance of the products or services of the payment system or participant in connection with, restricted transactions;
- `(3) exempt certain restricted transactions or designated payment systems from any requirement imposed under such regulations, if the Secretary and the Board jointly find that it is not reasonably practical to identify and block, or otherwise prevent or prohibit the acceptance of, such transactions; and
- `(4) ensure that transactions in connection with any activity excluded from the definition of unlawful internet gambling in subparagraph (B), (C), or (D)(i) of section 5362(10) are not blocked or otherwise prevented or prohibited by the prescribed regulations.
- `(c) Compliance With Payment System Policies and Procedures- A financial transaction provider shall be considered to be in compliance with the regulations prescribed under subsection (a) if--
- `(1) such person relies on and complies with the policies and procedures of a designated payment system of which it is a member or participant to--
- `(A) identify and block restricted transactions; or
- `(B) otherwise prevent or prohibit the acceptance of the products or services of the payment system, member, or participant in connection with restricted transactions; and
- `(2) such policies and procedures of the designated payment system comply with the requirements of regulations prescribed under subsection (a).
- `(d) No Liability for Blocking or Refusing To Honor Restricted Transactions- A person that identifies and blocks a transaction, prevents or prohibits the acceptance of its products or services in connection with a transaction, or otherwise refuses to honor a transaction--
- `(1) that is a restricted transaction;
- `(2) that such person reasonably believes to be a restricted transaction; or
- `(3) as a designated payment system or a member of a designated payment system in reliance on the policies and procedures of the payment system, in an effort to comply with regulations prescribed under subsection (a),
- shall not be liable to any party for such action.
- `(e) Regulatory Enforcement- The requirements under this section shall be enforced exclusively by--
- `(1) the Federal functional regulators, with respect to the designated payment systems and financial transaction providers subject to the respective jurisdiction of such regulators under section 505(a) of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and section 5g of the Commodities Exchange Act; and
- `(2) the Federal Trade Commission, with respect to designated payment systems and financial transaction providers not otherwise subject to the jurisdiction of any Federal functional regulators (including the Commission) as described in paragraph (1).
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The full text of the bill can be found here:
http://www.rules.house.gov/109_2nd/t...43_portscr.pdf
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Thank you Dan as well as Cal, Adam, all P5er's that are doing what they can in regard to this issue.
I agree strongly that we should not panic.
We need to show some patience as well as unfettered determination and resolve to have this work out in our favor over the long haul.
Personally, I call my California senators office's repetedly over the past several weeks and received nothing but disinterest and in some cases a snotty attitude from those that were handeling the phones.
I'm a believer that this will work out for us. Some believe this bill that is due to be signed will change nothing. It certainly is at least causing a big reaction.
Questions to ask yourself are:
Do you really think the folks at party poker, Poker stars, and any other off shore business are going to just walk aways from the hundreds of millions of dollars they make? I don't think so. What I believe is that there may be some adjustments that need to be made to cover their butts and they will make them.
Do you really believe that there is nothing we can do as citizens? Do you believe the 30 + million online poker players here in the US count for nothing if we make a big enough stink. I DON"T THINK SO!!!
LONG LIVE ONLINE POKER! -
party poker is claiming a techical glitch as a reason for not sending my money i think i will get ripped off. all of you are naive to think the law will change. there was almost no opposition anywhere. it is a done deal.
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I don't think party Gaming's millionaire executives have much incentive to take your money, given that it is also a publicly traded company. There would be an uproar from their shareholders, business associates, and likely international law should they swindle people out of money from online poker.
Be patient with your withdrawls; they will be processed. -
claude, I received 2 seperate 9k cashouts today I made early week, and have more pending - you will get your money man...
just think how many ppl have cashed out this week, they have alot to deal with right now... -
the moment someone gets arrested for this its going straight to the Supreme Court, so dont worry about it
this is infringing on our right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
there are lawyers out there that are absolutely BEGGING for this to happen -
And when/if it goes to the Supreme Court you better remember who all those recent appointments have been.
They're looking at quashing Roe v Wade, upheld the Patriot Act etc.
What on earth would cause them to give online gaming an overturn? -
Actually, the same principles that may quash Roe v. Wade and have upheld the Patriot Act are allies for Poker players. Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Alito, I can almost assure, would say that this is unconstitutional. Still, it would take one more, and I'm not sure where that one would come from regarding the other five justices.
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ahh friday the 13th, one of my favorite holidays
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Exactly NjDevsfn95...this is definitely infringing on our rights as a "free" country in pursuit of happiness" If this law actually gets enforced. It will remove our rights and our country will strip us of our freedom. Its almost as if we have a dictatorship and not a democracy. I can't believe this is actually going to happen. Its a stupid law...we have legal gambling in the U.S. so to ban it from the internet is truly stupid!
There's REPEATED sex offenders who continue to walk our streets and prey on innocent victims and homeless straving people and yet our country is more concern with people playing poker and yet allowing betting on horses & playing the lottery (biggest scam in gambling).
I'm sure other countries are sitting back amazed (not in a good way either) at our administration we've elected. -
Will western union work for online poker once it's illegal for US banks and credit card companies to deal with poker sites?
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Seems to me the biggest problem is ISP's blocking the poker sites. There will always be ways to get around funding your account, but I don't know how you can around the blocked ip addressess.
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I didn't know it was a Constitutionally protected right to allow US banks to transact with foreign gambling operations. But then again, the only Amendment I've ever used is the Fifth.
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