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  1. Jrracc1 Jrracc1 is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2012 (7/14/2012 7:59pm)

    Was recently moved to this table..... whats your move facing his 4bet:

    pokerstars Hand #83317220342: Tournament #2012070022, $5.25+$5.25+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2012/07/14 14:54:42 ET
    Table '2012070022 463' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: tokii86 (6435 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 2: Posadskij (6691 in chips)
    Seat 3: dragon eyess (8240 in chips)
    Seat 4: aRoyalShark (9485 in chips)
    Seat 5: KnuggleKing (8905 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 6: Charleszz9 (4734 in chips)
    Seat 7: blackeyefish (6694 in chips)
    Seat 8: Jrracc1 (13034 in chips)
    Seat 9: Matlarto (18448 in chips)
    tokii86: posts the ante 30
    Posadskij: posts the ante 30
    dragon eyess: posts the ante 30
    aRoyalShark: posts the ante 30
    KnuggleKing: posts the ante 30
    Charleszz9: posts the ante 30
    blackeyefish: posts the ante 30
    Jrracc1: posts the ante 30
    Matlarto: posts the ante 30
    Jrracc1: posts small blind 125
    Matlarto: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Jrracc1 [Jd Ad]
    tokii86: folds
    Posadskij: folds
    KnuggleKing has returned
    dragon eyess: folds
    aRoyalShark: folds
    KnuggleKing: folds
    Charleszz9: folds
    blackeyefish: raises 425 to 675
    Jrracc1: raises 800 to 1475
    Matlarto: folds
    blackeyefish: raises 1325 to 2800
    Jrracc1: ??????????????
  2. pnesh85 pnesh85 is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2012 (7/14/2012 8:03pm) in reply to Jrracc1

    Imo Fold your oop and there still action behind you
  3. tyson219 tyson219 is online now Moderator

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    Jul 15th, 2012 (7/15/2012 12:49am) in reply to pnesh85

    Villain committed himself, so treat it as a shove. Around 9k in the pot and 5k to call, you need 36-37% equity to call. He needs to be shoving at least 77+, AJ+ for a call (well, 5b i guess) to be profitable. Seems pretty close. I can't imagine villain folding hands like 77, AJ and KQ but at the same time the sizing looks suspicious and strong.

    The better question is what was your plan? You 3bet a button raise with a 26bb stack, you have to expect to get shoved on a decent amount.

    I'm probably never 3b/f in this spot, so I'd 5b shove, but wouldn't be thrilled about it.
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  4. xxbossmanxx xxbossmanxx is offline The Boss

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    Jul 15th, 2012 (7/15/2012 1:35am) in reply to tyson219

    With a hero stack like that the hand is pretty easy to let go
  5. P0LarAcE P0LarAcE is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2012 (7/15/2012 3:23am) in reply to xxbossmanxx

    -flat pre read situation on flop,
    -after getting 4 bet (making ur own 3 bet) time to fold
     
  6. elimherr elimherr is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2012 (7/15/2012 3:29am) in reply to P0LarAcE

    what was your plan pre...3bfold is pretty bad with effec stack sizes
     
  7. Jrracc1 Jrracc1 is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2012 (7/15/2012 5:37am) in reply to elimherr

    My plan was to get it in.....but the sizing of his 4bet made me second guess myself....
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  8. elimherr elimherr is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2012 (7/15/2012 7:12am) in reply to Jrracc1

    Yea it looks pretty nutted, however i have made this exact play with hands like AJ, AT, KQ just to look nutted and possibly get them to fold better, but i dont think many ppl do it to often.
     
  9. bazingaking bazingaking is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2012 (7/15/2012 4:00pm) in reply to elimherr

    Yeah it is a bit of a tricky one, because his re-raise does make me think that he is thinking "I'm pretending to be weak, so I'll raise a little less because the shove might scare my opponent to fold" but responses have been pretty spot on. Because of villain's stack size you pretty much have to be willing to call his all in if you 3-bet, 3-bet folding is pretty bad given his stack size and pot odds and your image so I think you have to grudgingly go with it and shove. I did think about the idea of flatting pre-flop, but I prefer the raise and just call the shove. He's very short stacked and on the button so his opening, and probably 4-bet ranges should be pretty wide. What's your image btw? Any history between you two? If villain had actually just shoved, we would probably have made the call much more easily which is a bit funny. Ah well, shove and shrug.
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