Hi all,

I wondered if I could get any feedback from high or top level players on my moving up levels as frustration is starting to set in with me.
The story so far is:
Started out playing around 4 years ago, mainly micro sngs for around 12 months with a starting roll of $44, found relative success, managed my roll right (never went broke), graduated to higher sng levels $10-$50 sometimes dabbling in $100 and held my own in those for a while.
I then caught the MTT bug after a friend started to have relative success in the micro's.
I started out playing $1-$5 tourneys and have never looked back, I feel that at that level the player tendancies with certain hands are almost identical and have for the last 3 years or so had a good run.
In that time I have dabbled with the higher buy in tourneys and apart from the odd time eeking into the money I find I'm falling short.
My tourney ROI IS AROUND +21% mainly because I'm using profits from the micro's to pay my buy ins for the higher games.
Roll wise(mainly through sng profits) I feel I have a decent roll to play alot more of the higher buy ins without playing with scared money but, (and this is where I feel I need advice) I feel like I am having to learn the game all over again (is this a natural proggression?), the tendencies that low limit players have are totally diff from the plays the higher limit players make. (obv).
I'm not a whiner or looking for advice because I'm LAZY.
In all the time I've played I have devoted hour upon hour of going through HH's, bought magazines, books which I constantly go over. watch poker on TV, subscibed to training sites etc etc.
So, question is: what do you higher level players think? when you first moved up did you have the same dilema? did you have to relearn? were you making obvious plays that are easy to pick up by good players? did you get your asses kicked for a while after you moved up? is it just a natural learning curve in your poker life and you have to work through it? were you also using profits form smaller games to buy into the bigger tourneys and looking at account page week after week and your roll is almost identical to when you started the week?
I'm not foolish to think that I'm just going to move up and crush every tourney I play, I just think that with over 1000 tourneys behind me and the amount of work I have put in regarding learning, then I think I should maybe be doing a little better in these bigger buy in tourneys.
In a nutshell, I know I have a lot of poker knowledge locked up in my head, and as I said before I have a roll that can sustain a bad run for a while but, it's just not happening.
Do I just get stuck in there and take a shot or do I stick to the levels I'm showing a constant profit?
Envy or jealousy isnt what I'm about but, I find I'm seeing players from the lower levels who I have played with a lot in the past (some I dont feel are any better than myself) getting pretty good results in the higher levels now, and wondered if anyone has experienced this in the past and what they actually did about it. (I feel I cant do any more regarding sucking it up putting the hours in and trying to learn more and plug leaks)
No sarcasm guys please, this is a legitemate post seeking advice. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

ok, couple of comments from me.

first of all 20% is not that great for a mtt roi. you still have a lot of things you could work on at the lower levels first before moving up. i mean you're obviously solid and a winning player, but it's not like you're crushing the lower limits or anything. these leaks you have will get found out more at the higher levels.
i haven't found there is a huge difference going from one 'level' to the next. like a $20 is a bit better than a $10 in terms of standard of play, but not hugely. a $30 is a bit better again and so on, but not hugely. but by the time you go from $5 to $100 buy in, yes there is a significant difference.

basically i've found that the ratios change. like at a $10 tourney you'll have 1 good player, 4 average and 4 poor/weak player at any table.

at a $100 tourney you'll have 3 good players, 6-7 average and 1-2 weak.

summary : i would fix your leaks first and get a 50-100% roi at the lower levels before moving up. this will mean you are less likely to lose your roll than if you are a 20% roi player

crush the satellites/3r/5r/ 20-180's /and the <30 mtt's then go from there.

10k

then $30's-$75 is fine ($50 ABI) and some smaller field $100's.

i wouldn't be playing the sunday majors on that roll

i hear ya math,,
field sizes are relevevent i agree, i play at UB so the field sizes dont go to the extremes as say stars or ftp, the tourneys in question ($30-$120) usually have an ideal field of 200-300 like you said.
I was talking about the $215's only if I satellited in, not buying in direct.

the 215 on stars and 216 on full tilt play like 20$mtts. they offer the biggest overlay of soft to dead $ and the opportunity for insta bankroll building.

u should play more pokerstars!! edit: play the 1k fields $50's on stars. and take shots in the $100's. PLay, say 3 a week?

 

Originally Posted by Randers

i would DEFINITELY play the 215 on stars on that roll

I def. agree with this. Unless your playing as scared money this is easily one of the easiest fields during the week. Taking it down though is another story :)

CW

Just wanted to say there is not much more experience youre going to gain from a $215 BI than a $10. I use to think the same way but frankly good solid play works across ALL levels. A high stakes mtt player can crush mircos with the same play they use at high BI for the most part....

How do I know this?

I have pxf, cardrunners, and i was being coached by the-toilet0 for awhile who is ridiculously successful. From the videos I watched they do absolutely nothing fancy, there are no advanced concepts (there r some techniques that vary from indiv to indiv.), but youre not going to gain more experience by moving up and wasting more money than by continuing building your BR and refining your game over and over at the mid level. I would just play the sattys.

GL