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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td><span><a name="blog352">11/1/2007 12:33:52 PM EST </a></span>
My Mood: Chillin...</td></tr><tr><td>quick blog to clear some things up...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">This will be a quick blog today, as I have a very packed schedule with quite a few meetings. I think its important though, to again, clear up some confusion. Specifically, I want to address two points that have legitimately been raised. One, why havent I severed all ties with Absolute Poker? Two, why do I feel Todd Witteles has acted improperly? This second question, I have to be brief about for reasons that will be obvious down the road. Also, I want to make a brief point about the hand histories from my February 15, 2006 session that has been called into question.
I have not severed all ties with AP, despite numerous requests for me to do so, for one main reason. The investigation is not complete. There is still a tremendous amount of information to be learned about what happened. Such as, how it happened, when did it start, how long did it last, who was involved, who knew about it, and how pervasive was it? As I write this, there are third party independent auditors travelling to APs world-wide offices looking into the Companys practices, procedures, databases and systems. They are accumulating tons of data about every aspect of APs operation. Doesnt it seem reasonable to wait until the investigation is complete before I make this decision?
Would it not be hypocritical of me to ask the public to wait until all the evidence is in regarding my own involvement before forming an opinion, but at the same time, quickly conclude that AP is guilty of such egregious conduct that I must sever all ties with the Company before the investigation is complete? Wouldnt I be doing the same thing that some are doing to me? That is, unfairly jumping to conclusions without all the facts?
For claritys sake, I will go on the record again regarding my involvement. I never engaged in this malfeasance in any way, shape or form, nor did I know about it, nor did I benefit from it in anyway. Yet some people SWEAR I was in on it. They are 100% wrong! The evidence and the truth will eventually come out. But, it takes time.
Just look at a fairly recent and very similar matter in the news the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal. Everyone thought they were guilty because charges were leveled against them. It turns out they were not guilty. It took many many months before there was even the slightest hint that they might be telling the truth, that they didnt do it.
Second point. Witteles has made several false claims and he continues to do so. Ill talk a little about this and after that, Im pretty much going to refrain from talking about him. He clearly enjoys the spotlight much more than I do and he has opportunistically used this situation to try to elevate his standing in poker. In the end, when all the evidence comes out, I think, people will have a very different view of him and his role in this matter.
He says I owe him an apology because AP has admitted there has been a security breach; therefore he must not have been lying or exaggerating. Does that make any sense at all? What about the statements he made about me personally? What about the statements he made about the February 15, 2006 session?
I believe very strongly that he has knowingly and intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth (which are not elements of the offense by the way) made at least one statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Thats all I can say about it for now.
One last thing, my hand histories from the Feb 16, 2006 session. I have been told that it is likely that Absolute Poker does have those hand histories along with all other real money hands ever played on the site. They apparently are on tape and will be retrievable. I hope this is true. I really really hope so. I think the person who told me they dont have them may have been mistaken. I really dont know at this point. Im just telling you what I have been told by two different sources, obviously in direct conflict with one another.
When I agreed to show my hole cards I had never requested them from AP at that point and was shocked, as everyone else was, to learn they werent available. That is the truth! Thats why I am cautiously optimistic that the earlier statement that they are not available, may be incorrect.
One last point about these HHs. I have agreed to expose my hole cards because of 15-20 minute session, if I recall correctly, where my opponent (through his friend) wonders if I could see hole cards because I ran so hot/made all the right plays. Imagine how many times that happens every single day in poker. Tens of thousands? I think that would be conservative. So every time a sites pro has that kind of session, we should all demand to see his hole cards right? I know there is a difference here in that impropriety has taken place at AP, and for that reason, I have agreed to turn up my hole cards.
I am just trying to illustrate a point. My opponent and his friends claim will be proven false when and if the HHs are retrieved. I am certain of that because I know I did nothing wrong. But just think for a moment, if you were me how you would feel about such a serious accusation because you ran hot for 15-20 minutes?
-- Mark A. Seif
My response to him:
mark,
i have never seen someone side-step and deflect blame or wrong-doing more then you have the last few weeks. do you really think that you have done nothing wrong? i do not think you used the 'superaccount', i just think you failed as spokesperson for the site in regard to being upfront and honest with the poker community. i also think that it is pure comedy that you are more worried about part of todd whittles theory of what happened hurting your reputation more then the site that everyone in the world associates with you admitting that upper-level management at ap did, in fact, utilize unethical means to cheat its very own customers. don't you think that is much more detrimental to your name then anything else?
furthermore, you employ lawyeresque moves to talk about everything that doesn't truly matter, or if you do briefly touch on something, you go on to spend more time explaining your defensive stance.
i also strongly feel, that money is the only reason that you remain at ap, either you are protecting your ownership interest in the company(although you cant legally admit that you own a piece), or the amount you are paid outweighs your virtues and morals as a fellow poker player.
these are all opinions and i am not claiming any of this to be fact, as i want to protect myself from being sued for slander.
so pathetic mark, so pathetic,
brett 'gank' jungblut
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F seif!!
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IN MY OPPINION...........owner owner owner owner owner owner owner......some kind of percentage is his.
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Well which is it, the Feb. 15th, 2006 session, or the Feb. 16th, 2006 session?
Oh this one is clever, he is.
Love this paragraph too.
"When I agreed to show my hole cards, I had never requested them from AP at that point and was shocked, as everyone else was, to learn they werent available. That is the truth! Thats why I am cautiously optimistic that the earlier statement that they are not available, may be incorrect."
He talks as if he's some random donk who's trying to email AP to get some hand histories. I guess we're too stupid to remember he's a part-owner and the advertised face of the entire fucking company? And he can't get a straight answer on whether they can get his hand histories or not?
After reading this, I'm somehow reminded of Clinton's speech saying he hoped all the Lewinsky information would come out "sooner, rather than later." -
His true association to AP must eventually be established
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Seif reminds me why I hate lawyers.
"or the amount you are paid outweighs your virtues and morals as a fellow poker player."
A lawyer with morals. ROFLMAO -
Just look at a fairly recent and very similar matter in the news the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal. Everyone thought they were guilty because charges were leveled against them. It turns out they were not guilty. It took many many months before there was even the slightest hint that they might be telling the truth, that they didnt do it.
wtf.. is he talking about most everyone with an ounce of intelligence knew that ho was lying and they were getting railroaded from the getgo.. oh wait.... -
yo yo hey yo
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everyone but the media knew that...
i think Seif's position on the matter is chill out until we get all the facts in. - is this wrong?
also yall are criticizing him for 'sounding like a lawyer', etc. - wouldn't you want to be on point (legally speaking) when such allegations had been leveled against you and a company you were involved in?
how can you possibly expect full transparency on the matter when peoples lives and careers are at stake?? would YOU not protect yourself as much as possible if you were involved in something of this magnitude? -
LOL lewinsky is EXACTLY what i thought of...ive never had sex with that woman miss lewinsky.....
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This dude is so slimy, he's leaving a trail. Way to put all of your energy into trying to piss all over people with poor opinions of his character, rather than...I dunno...actually trying to change those opinions by doing the right thing?
How long is it going to be until he gets so desperate to point blame at others before he resorts to, "Oh yeah? Well...you're gay!" -
Witteles has made several false claims and he continues to do so. Ill talk a little about this and after that, Im pretty much going to refrain from talking about him. He clearly enjoys the spotlight much more than I do and he has opportunistically used this situation to try to elevate his standing in poker.
What a load of horseshit... Druff is respectable and well spoken in my opinion. Unlike Mark the slimey greasebag lawyer. DIAF!!!! -
would YOU not protect yourself as much as possible if you were involved in something of this magnitude?
That's the whole point.....he's protecting himself.....because he's involved.....well put. -
To clarify what Nole91 is refering to, from Wikipedia:
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Public figure is a legal term applied in the context of defamation actions (libel and slander) as well as invasion of privacy. A public figure (such as a politician, celebrity, or business leader) cannot base a lawsuit on incorrect harmful statements unless there is proof that the writer or publisher acted with malice (knowledge or reckless disregard for the truth). The burden of proof is higher in the case of a public figure.
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The controlling precedent in the United States was set in 1964 by the United States Supreme Court in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan. It is considered a key decision in supporting the First Amendment and freedom of the press.
A fairly high threshold of public activity is necessary to elevate a person to public figure status. Typically, they must either be:- a public figure pervasively involved in public affairs, or
- a limited purpose public figure, meaning those who have "thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved." A "particularized determination" is required to decide whether a person is a limited purpose public figure, which can be variously interpreted.
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I believe very strongly that he has knowingly and intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth (which are not elements of the offense by the way) made at least one statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Thats all I can say about it for now.
Im not really sure where Mark went to law school or maybe he just believes everyone else is really dumb, but his behavior is close to making me want to sever all ties with attorneys. I have never seen a person do such a horrible job of defending themselves in writing, where you have the time to sit and think about what you are going to say and go back and review it before publishing it, than him.
Nice work Gank Obv Gank pwns -
atleast h e fixed hisspace bar
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*chant* Gank Gank Gank
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Mark Seif is a piece of shit and that is a fact.
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Remind me again, why any of you care or think at all about Mark Seif.... seriously take a step back and think about it... its Mark fucking Seif. Who cares, F AP, F Mark Seif, F anyone who has such a pathetic life that they actually know the web address of Mark Seif's blog, and F me for even posting about this.
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I am not sure where he lives but in Dallas you can give somebody a lie detector and ask 4 questions for 300 bucks. I would be willing to put heavy action on him not being able to pass a lie detector that asks if he ever knew his opps holecards during a live hand on AP. If he is so hot to prove he is on the straight and narrow then bet Todd $$$ that you can pass and show up and prove it.
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mark seif +EV comic please.
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I sat at the table with Seif at Niagra. It was awesome. Negraneau (who was one table over) didn't see him at our table and wes yelling from the next tabe over. He was yelling to Dave Singer who also was at my table. He was telling David, who knew nothing about AP sacandal, all about how crooked AP is/was. I was ROFL because Sief, Singer, and DN weren't making the connection. Sief just sat there until someone must have said something to DN and DN got up and came over to MS and said "oh man I didn't see you there, this must be embarassing but I know you didn't do anything wrong". They were both very awkward. It was funny, I wish it was caught on tape. Sief was the first one to bust from our tabel in the main event.
DN was bashing AP to someone sitting at the same table as MS and didn't know it lololol. -
lol...
seriously guys, i know you all think mark is a POS for staying w/ absolute, and in some respects i agree, he definitely should sever his ties. my guess is he owns a piece but legally cannot say that. pure speculation and i am not stating fact, just making a pure guess.
however, for any of you to insinuate he could see hole cards... LOL. i mean, you have <span>no shred of proof</span>. that's pretty much slander in my book. i DEFINITELY wouldn't imply a public figure was cheating at their own gig. doing so <span>is </span>slander. so, just stfu about mark being a fucking cheater. if you want to question his integrity, go ahead. i agree, i think he should GTFO of his relationship with abs, but <span>do not sling mud</span>when you have <span>no fucking proof</span>.
i know mark personally but i don't agree with how he has handled this whole situation. but that's his choice. however, for anyone to accuse him of cheating is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of line at this point.
if you can show me proof, i'll take my comments back, but otherwise, nearlive, as you have no fuckin clue about anything about mark or abs, you should just shut the fuck up.
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For the record, and I try to say this in every one of my MS related posts, I do not think he cheated, I just think he handled his position as spokesperson for AP as horrendously as possible. He actually has the possibility to get me off of his back EVERYTIME he makes a blog entry or statement, but at this point it is pretty apparent that he is fogged from his slice of the pie, and thus isn't going to go down the road I would like to see him on.
On a further note, he has every right to handle the situation any way he wants, its just that I do not respect him for handling it this way. -
I sense that he might think that all the hype surrounding this may subside and the storm will blow over and we will just all eventually forget what happened because the investigation will be neverending. He may be delusional.
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