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Semi deep in 10 on starz- Questionalbe shove-- input plz-

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  1. jacob_bu jacob_bu is offline

    Waco, TX
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    Apr 23rd, 2008 (4/23/2008 1:42pm)

    pokerstars Game #16927047459: Tournament #85346217, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2008/04/22 - 22:30:47 (ET)
    Table '85346217 251' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: jacob_BU (20938 in chips)
    Seat 2: bwins14u (10856 in chips)
    Seat 3: memphis23 (25865 in chips)
    Seat 4: The Leaf (21386 in chips)
    Seat 5: SanBassOM (43725 in chips)
    Seat 6: Meijers (29026 in chips)
    Seat 7: spider1 (19429 in chips)
    Seat 8: mikisaisi (33901 in chips)
    Seat 9: MIRJ0 (28057 in chips)
    jacob_BU: posts the ante 125
    bwins14u: posts the ante 125
    memphis23: posts the ante 125
    The Leaf: posts the ante 125
    SanBassOM: posts the ante 125
    Meijers: posts the ante 125
    spider1: posts the ante 125
    mikisaisi: posts the ante 125
    MIRJ0: posts the ante 125
    The Leaf: posts small blind 600
    SanBassOM: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to jacob_BU [Ks Qh]
    Meijers: folds
    spider1: folds
    mikisaisi: folds
    MIRJ0: folds
    jacob_BU: raises 19613 to 20813 and is all-in
    bwins14u: folds
    memphis23: folds
    The Leaf: folds
    SanBassOM: calls 19613
    *** FLOP *** [Jh Ah 7s]
    *** TURN *** [Jh Ah 7s] [5d]
    *** RIVER *** [Jh Ah 7s 5d] [8h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    SanBassOM: shows [Qc Qs] (a pair of Queens)
    jacob_BU: shows [Ks Qh] (high card Ace)
    SanBassOM collected 43351 from pot
    Meijers said, "nh"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 43351 | Rake 0
    Board [Jh Ah 7s 5d 8h]
    Seat 1: jacob_BU showed [Ks Qh] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 2: bwins14u folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: memphis23 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: The Leaf (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: SanBassOM (big blind) showed [Qc Qs] and won (43351) with a pair of Queens
    Seat 6: Meijers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: spider1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: mikisaisi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: MIRJ0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    is KQ a good shove here? or is this too low to include in my range- jake
     
  2. snowrider250 snowrider250 is offline

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    Apr 23rd, 2008 (4/23/2008 3:07pm) in reply to jacob_bu

    put in a standard raise and let them tell you if they have anything behind you. hes probly gonna shove the Qs and you fold and live to see another hand
  3. Jaxsonguy Jaxsonguy is offline

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    Apr 23rd, 2008 (4/23/2008 3:08pm) in reply to jacob_bu

    Your M is in the 7ish range or if you think in terms of BBs, you have almost 18.

    I have no idea why you are shoving here.....You certainly are not desperate for blinds/antes at this point and you know you arent getting called by a worse hand. If you think that KJ or worse is calling, then you read reallly well. There is no reason to want to flip here, so if 22+ calls you here, are you happy?

    nothing wrong with postion poker here with this hand....2.3x raise could have gotten you the same info i think.....BB shoves his monster you instafold. Easy game.
     
  4. adam_mc adam_mc is offline

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    Apr 23rd, 2008 (4/23/2008 3:09pm) in reply to Jaxsonguy

    Normally raise shove with your stack is bad, but in a 10 dollar tournament where people don't reship light it is fine. Shoving is bad.
  5. jacob_bu jacob_bu is offline

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    Apr 23rd, 2008 (4/23/2008 5:01pm) in reply to adam_mc

    so waht's my cutoff for shoving here ? like AQ ?
     
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  6. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Apr 23rd, 2008 (4/23/2008 5:07pm) in reply to jacob_bu

    There is no cutoff for shoving....you put in standard raise THEN decide whether or not to call. Way too big to shove home slice. Plus, with the 10 buy in donkies, they don't really understand the <10bb shove and everything so you raise std 2.5x, they fold....or they shove and you fold knowing you are killed. Another scenario is the BB will call cuz it looks like good odds, they check, you cbet, and they fold....easy game lol.
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