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  1. Recently, Wretchy posted something to the effect of "I don't know any serious, backed poker players who don't have a second account for cash games."

    My backers - and many others - don't back for cash games. This may come as a shock...but I really don't have any second accounts. As far as I know, neither do other players in our organization. I just don't play cash. Still, I think I could learn something by playing cash games, and without understanding them, I will never reach my full potential as a poker player. I'd love to learn cash games and play them on my own money, but as things are, it is too difficult to keep the balances straight.

    But I was thinking.... how hard would it be for poker sites to allow players to split their account into two balances - one which they could use for buying into tournaments (backers' money), and another for cash / cashouts (their own money)? They could transfer between these balances if they want (e.g., put their share of tourn winnings into their "own money / cash" account), and play both mtt/cash under the same screen name, but keep the money separate. There are a lot of people in similar backing arrangements who play a lot of poker but stay away from cash for this reason (or I guess they make alt accounts). It would be good for the poker sites as well to allow backed players to play both cash and tourns from separate pools of money - more rake. Also, it would allow players to do as they want, under one name, and stay within the rules the sites lay out instead of bending the rules with multiple accounts...which according to Wretchy is a common practice.

    What do you think?
     
  2. makes alot of sense to me. never thought bout it like that
     
  3. c sign
  4. Yeah, I'm sure I'm not the first to think of it - good idea. Seems doable...all banks do this.

    Linking to the old thread/declaring this has been tried already multiple times isn't going to generate any conversation which might actually get poker sites to listen, though.

    For backed players, a "mine" and "theirs" account would really be a big help for so many reasons. What do backed players think about this?
     
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  5. Along the same lines, I always felt that the sites should offer a separate holding account for the higher dollar players. This holding account would require separate security measures to access (e-mail, phone call, different passwords). So if your main poker account is hacked, they can't get access to the money in the holding account without some additional effort.
     
  6. Step 1: Get a spreadsheet

    Step 2: Enter the tournaments you play into the spreadsheet being sure to include your net win/loss for each one

    Step 3: Use the addition function on the spreadsheet to keep a running total of your backed tournament bankroll

    Step 4: Subtract the figure from step 3 from the amount of money in your online account(s)

    Congrats! You've now figured out how much money is yours and you can use that money to play cash games!
     
  7. For the love of science please take "wretchy" out of the title. We don't need a nother thread to spiral into drama queen hell.
     
  8.  
    Originally Posted by GambleAB View Post

    Step 1: Get a spreadsheet

    Step 2: Enter the tournaments you play into the spreadsheet being sure to include your net win/loss for each one

    Step 3: Use the addition function on the spreadsheet to keep a running total of your backed tournament bankroll

    Step 4: Subtract the figure from step 3 from the amount of money in your online account(s)

    Congrats! You've now figured out how much money is yours and you can use that money to play cash games!

    a lot of horses are not trustworthy enough to make this possible. this would make the work of the backers double as they would have to check up on opr/pokerdb to verify the spreadsheet, and there is no way to track rebuys.
     
  9.  
    Originally Posted by tsxxx04 View Post

    you are missing the point

    a lot of people have deals that involve not being allowed to play cash on their account..this allieviates the issue of people having any excuse for 2 accounts..

    well, sorry but if you make an agreement to be backed and not play cash, then that is a choice you have made. you dont play cash, only mtt's. making other accounts to do this is unacceptable. Yes, it may suck not being able to play cash, but you chose to be staked, and sometimes you have to give things up.
  10.  
    Originally Posted by LVpokerdealer View Post

     
    Originally Posted by tsxxx04 View Post


    you are missing the point

    a lot of people have deals that involve not being allowed to play cash on their account..this allieviates the issue of people having any excuse for 2 accounts..

    well, sorry but if you make an agreement to be backed and not play cash, then that is a choice you have made. you dont play cash, only mtt's. making other accounts to do this is unacceptable. Yes, it may suck not being able to play cash, but you chose to be staked, and sometimes you have to give things up.

    obviously..i'm not condoning making 2 accounts at all, and the deal that i have allows me to play w/e i want. the point i'm making is people feel like they have no choice apparently and are using this as an excuse. plus it would help the sites make more money in rake from the more honest horses that want to play cash but decide to follow the rules.
  11. Makes sense. Let's give the non trustworty people more accounts.
  12. it's still one account!!!!
  13. The people saying that this is just players being lazy or to use a spreadsheet, you obviously have never been backed before and just dont understand.

    Co sign this x 48204280 it would be a helluva lot easier to have this option if you did decide to play cash. Its hard enough as it is to keep rakeback separate.
     
  14.  
    Originally Posted by GambleAB View Post

    Step 1: Get a spreadsheet

    Step 2: Enter the tournaments you play into the spreadsheet being sure to include your net win/loss for each one

    Step 3: Use the addition function on the spreadsheet to keep a running total of your backed tournament bankroll

    Step 4: Subtract the figure from step 3 from the amount of money in your online account(s)

    Congrats! You've now figured out how much money is yours and you can use that money to play cash games!

    Hey, thanks for laying it out nice so I am able to understand! *staff edit*

    Excuse me for asking for an easier way to do this, and an easier way to have my own money somewhere separate online... Ever think people may prefer not to enter all of this stuff into a spreadsheet, and tally rebuys all day, and do extra accounting and double checking? If a poker site can offer a convenience without any downside, why not float the idea?
     
    Thread Starter
  15.  
    Originally Posted by SpankyHamm View Post

    Along the same lines, I always felt that the sites should offer a separate holding account for the higher dollar players. This holding account would require separate security measures to access (e-mail, phone call, different passwords). So if your main poker account is hacked, they can't get access to the money in the holding account without some additional effort.

    This is also a very good idea.
     
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  16.  
    Originally Posted by LVpokerdealer View Post

     
    Originally Posted by tsxxx04 View Post

    you are missing the point

    a lot of people have deals that involve not being allowed to play cash on their account..this allieviates the issue of people having any excuse for 2 accounts..

    well, sorry but if you make an agreement to be backed and not play cash, then that is a choice you have made. you dont play cash, only mtt's. making other accounts to do this is unacceptable. Yes, it may suck not being able to play cash, but you chose to be staked, and sometimes you have to give things up.

    This is really insightful! Appreciate your contribution.

    We should probably avoid bringing up solutions to this issue that would be positive for backing organizations and poker sites...

    Honestly, I just don't see any negative consequence of implementing something like this. If I absolutely had to play cash games, I am sure my backers would let me, but accounting for / separating high volumes of MTT and cash play would be a real chore for both the backers and the horses.
     
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  17. A possible simple solution might be for the sites to allow a second account but force the name of it to be the same as the first one with an extra 'tag' of some sort on the end. That way everyone knows it is the same person. Then just prevent both accounts from being logged on at the same time.
  18.  
    Originally Posted by LVpokerdealer View Post

     
    Originally Posted by tsxxx04 View Post

    you are missing the point

    a lot of people have deals that involve not being allowed to play cash on their account..this allieviates the issue of people having any excuse for 2 accounts..

    well, sorry but if you make an agreement to be backed and not play cash, then that is a choice you have made. you dont play cash, only mtt's. making other accounts to do this is unacceptable. Yes, it may suck not being able to play cash, but you chose to be staked, and sometimes you have to give things up.

    yeah and this would eliminate having to make that agreement obv
     
  19.  
    Originally Posted by Beaver Fever View Post

     
    Originally Posted by GambleAB View Post

    Step 1: Get a spreadsheet

    Step 2: Enter the tournaments you play into the spreadsheet being sure to include your net win/loss for each one

    Step 3: Use the addition function on the spreadsheet to keep a running total of your backed tournament bankroll

    Step 4: Subtract the figure from step 3 from the amount of money in your online account(s)

    Congrats! You've now figured out how much money is yours and you can use that money to play cash games!

    Hey, thanks for laying it out nice so I am able to understand! *staff edit*

    Excuse me for asking for an easier way to do this, and an easier way to have my own money somewhere separate online... Ever think people may prefer not to enter all of this stuff into a spreadsheet, and tally rebuys all day, and do extra accounting and double checking? If a poker site can offer a convenience without any downside, why not float the idea?

    Gotta love how any idea besides yours is apparently retarded. And the part about "don't want to tally rebuys all day, and do extra accounting"...just lol at that. Quit being a lazy fuck. My roomate ICuRaRook kept spreadsheets of everything ( yes, including rebuys ) for 2-3 years without a problem ever. You should maybe look into doing some of these things, because having 2 accounts so you can play cash and mtt's, is never going to happen.
  20. I like it beaver, cosign this mug... but I dont know if theyll consider it.

    I also dont know if your backers or mine will acept it and thus allow us to play cash but I hope so. Even though im prob the biggest donator back when I did play cash.

    :(

    I dont think he is saying having 2 accounts with different names if thats what you think LV. I believe from my understanding he wants seperate money holdings which is perfectly aceptable imo.

    Everyone is complaining about this after wretchys thread and I think this is a very possible solution.
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  21. I think you are underestimating the burden on the sites in terms of software, both playing and accounting, revising the terms of service, security and unnecessary complexity . Also, the idea that their rake will increase is not readily apparent. The marketing reason seems to be lacking. If the purpose is to do accounting for backers and horses, I'm not sure why the sites would want to be involved in that relationship in any way.

    I can envision many more problems with the increased number of accounts, yes accounts, than it solves. You can say it is one account all day, but when I go to the bank I have to tell them which "account" I am using even though they have the same name. Splitting balances is still an additional accounting function.

    Even if there is no harm in making a suggestion, you should not get so hurt when people express different opinions.
  22. doable
  23.  
    Originally Posted by LVpokerdealer View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Beaver Fever View Post

     
    Originally Posted by GambleAB View Post

    Step 1: Get a spreadsheet

    Step 2: Enter the tournaments you play into the spreadsheet being sure to include your net win/loss for each one

    Step 3: Use the addition function on the spreadsheet to keep a running total of your backed tournament bankroll

    Step 4: Subtract the figure from step 3 from the amount of money in your online account(s)

    Congrats! You've now figured out how much money is yours and you can use that money to play cash games!

    Hey, thanks for laying it out nice so I am able to understand! *staff edit*

    Excuse me for asking for an easier way to do this, and an easier way to have my own money somewhere separate online... Ever think people may prefer not to enter all of this stuff into a spreadsheet, and tally rebuys all day, and do extra accounting and double checking? If a poker site can offer a convenience without any downside, why not float the idea?

    Gotta love how any idea besides yours is apparently retarded. And the part about "don't want to tally rebuys all day, and do extra accounting"...just lol at that. Quit being a lazy fuck. My roomate ICuRaRook kept spreadsheets of everything ( yes, including rebuys ) for 2-3 years without a problem ever. You should maybe look into doing some of these things, because having 2 accounts so you can play cash and mtt's, is never going to happen.

    if by Beaver "quit being a lazy fuck" you mean, Beaver "quit being one of the most motivated and focused poker players around" you would make a good point...
     
  24. They might run into a problem trying to implement if a player were to simultaneously play both cash and MTTs at the same time. Just saying from a programming standpoint.
  25. are there sites that you are not backed on, ie cake poker. Maybe just have 1 site that you can play cash games on. Also your in dallas so winstar is not far, plenty of cash tables and no worries of getting the game busted by police.
     
  26. I don't see all the fuss, this is a pretty simple idea just like T$ and your normal money. Just give people the ability to transfer funds between 2 account balances under their account. It doesn't take away from anyone that isn't backed and it will help people who are or just people who want to keep their MTT/sng/cash money seperate.
  27.  
    Originally Posted by driftdc5 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by GambleAB View Post

    Step 1: Get a spreadsheet

    Step 2: Enter the tournaments you play into the spreadsheet being sure to include your net win/loss for each one

    Step 3: Use the addition function on the spreadsheet to keep a running total of your backed tournament bankroll

    Step 4: Subtract the figure from step 3 from the amount of money in your online account(s)

    Congrats! You've now figured out how much money is yours and you can use that money to play cash games!

    a lot of horses are not trustworthy enough to make this possible. this would make the work of the backers double as they would have to check up on opr/pokerdb to verify the spreadsheet, and there is no way to track rebuys.

    Just curious, how would a backer know if a horse is skimming, regardless of whether the horse was playing cash games on the side?
  28. This is a great idea, it should take them about 23 years to implement
     
  29.  
    Originally Posted by Beaver Fever View Post

     
    Originally Posted by GambleAB View Post

    Step 1: Get a spreadsheet

    Step 2: Enter the tournaments you play into the spreadsheet being sure to include your net win/loss for each one

    Step 3: Use the addition function on the spreadsheet to keep a running total of your backed tournament bankroll

    Step 4: Subtract the figure from step 3 from the amount of money in your online account(s)

    Congrats! You've now figured out how much money is yours and you can use that money to play cash games!

    Hey, thanks for laying it out nice so I am able to understand! *staff edit*

    Excuse me for asking for an easier way to do this, and an easier way to have my own money somewhere separate online... Ever think people may prefer not to enter all of this stuff into a spreadsheet, and tally rebuys all day, and do extra accounting and double checking? If a poker site can offer a convenience without any downside, why not float the idea?

    If you aren't already tracking all of the tournaments you play in, then you are doing your backer a huge disservice and are probably ripping him off, whether you are aware of it or not.

    No poker site is going to let people split their accounts to play cash games. It's just not going to happen. It isn't realistic. I'm sorry for making fun of your ridiculous idea and trying to give you realistic solutions to your obvious accounting problem.