For direction I'd look into taking a lesson with "Jennifear".

25% is definitely not sustainable at a $15 avg stake level.....but def good for you're sample size.

And I'm not really sure what you're asking...i mean you're obv profitting so why are you asking if a 25% ROI is good enough to profit?

it could be decent money if u keep on brining home that money.. . but im truely into MTTss

GL

ok, so now that name was dropped twice. is she (im assuming its a she? play on words of jennifer???) someone willing to field a few random messages from an unknown player?

SNG's are certainly more difficult, as is every form of hold'em, than it was in 2005 and 2006. The numbers you gave are also over a very small samplesize so this is isn't really the best set of data to make an accurate prediction.

However, the lowstakes sngs are very beatable. If you were beating them before, you may have to make a few minor adjustment but should have no problem doing it again. I would like to make one recommendation, don't play the non-turbo double or nothings. They have twice as much rake as the normals and they take twice as long. You will lose a lot value by playing these instead of the turbos.

As far as a mentor goes, your best bet is almost certainly going to be doing a session with jennifear. It wouldn't be worth it for the people that crush higher buy-in sngs to take on one pupil b/c it would seriously cut into their $/hr. I personally have never taken a lesson from jennifear but I have heard nothing but the highest praise and she gives very good advice in PD.

Another recommendation would be to find some friends/regulars that plat roughly the same levels that you do so you can discuss hands and strategy. Also post questions here PD b/c you can usually sort through the BS and find some helpful responses.

i dont see how i would "need" to table mor than 3 at a time? im not worried about making a living off of this. i dont need to pay the bills from these sngs... those already covered.

and whats this "session with jennifear"??? she has a paysite or somethin?

SNG's are a lot harder now. I don't think it would be possible to get close to a 25% ROI consistently. I would suggest playing at least 5000 sngs just to get an idea of where you stand. You can play 9 tables easily at the lower limits where the decisions are pretty easy. You'll have a lower ROI and your variance will be higher with the turbos but they are faster and much easier to multitable cause most of the decisions will be push/fold.

PXF still has the best sng and tournament vids.

look me up on stars 1mikeand1

i would highly suggest not even starting with sngs and playing cash games instead

however, if you do decide to play sngs make sure you take advantage of rakeback. to really make money in sngs you need to put in lots of volume and over the course of that volume your rakeback really adds up. i would move up stakes gradually always keeping about 100 buyins at any given level. the sng players on all sites are all pretty much terrible up to the $50 level so i would be more concerned about just playing within your br.

but again, i would highly advise you to play cash games and move up that way.. where you can also take advantage of rakeback (play on cake or ftp) imho.

thanks everyone. i know not to expect a 25% roi for ever... thatd be stupid to assume, but im curious as to know what itll be at 1000, then 1500.. and so forth. Ive been lookin at jennifears stuff and had NO IDEA there are "equity calculators"... ICM????? (dont even know what that is)...

blows me away how much its all changed in a few years.

I am in pretty much the same place. I used to grind $5-$20 SnGs a few years back and made a decent amount of money. I've never played poker for a living (have a wife and 4 kids) but I did make enough so that my wife didn't have to work during that time. I took about a year and a half off from the grind while I was going to school at nights, and came back a few months ago and decided that I wanted to play MTTs. I've always wanted to play MTTs, but with a full-time job and a family, it's difficult for me to commit 7-8 hours at a time to sit in front of my computer and concentrate. I recently decided to go back to 9-man SnGs to build up a roll to take shots on Sundays, and while SnGs have definitely changed over the past few years, they are definitely still beatable. I have never really liked turbos as much as I like the regular SnGs, and haven't really played very many of the DoNs to be able to comment on them. I definitely prefer the 9-man regular SnGs and usually 4 table them. Jennifear is by far the best SnG teacher around. She was probably around when you were last playing, you just might not have heard about her yet. I would definitely suggest getting at least one training session from her so she can explain the current state of SnGs, and how to beat them. You will not be dissapointed. The lesson usually pays for itself in the first few days. I'm not sure if she'll do more than one student at a time to break the cost up, but if she does, I'd be willing to do a session with you. If there is one thing I can tell you, get some friends that you can talk over hands and strategy with. That is, by far, the most important thing you can do for your game. I haven't found that yet, and would be more than willing to do that with you.

Welcome back to the game!

I took a look at your stats and you definitely have more than a clue of how to play this game.

Be aware that the games are tougher now.

What you can expect: A $10 SNG will play a bit more like the $25 SNGs you played in 2007. You can expect a few more grinders. Your ROI will drop.

Be sure that you understand ICM if you are taking on the SNGs.

While I do teach, and I've been mentioned many times in this thread, I understand that you aren't really looking for a mentor at this time.

There are some posts in my blog that will help you get familiar with more advanced SNG strategy. Just click on my name and go to the blog and you'll see a bunch of hands where I gave advice.

There are quite a few good SNG players on this site. Feel free to post a tough hand or general question anytime. You'll find the responses generally helpful I hope! If you don't, then send me a private message with a link to your post, and I will gladly answer any question that you have.

Good luck!

I notice two resounding themes. 1) Jennifear... check. already contacted her. 2) Turbos > Regular. I myself am pretty much TAG and change gears "normally" when the shoe fits... hence why i like regular cause theyre slower, i find myself chosing "better" spots. They do def take longer and i remember it took me a while to make the change from reg to turbo a few years back. So are they really THAT much different now? I know volume is everything... but id give up some volume for more "quality play". Or does Quality not trump Quantity anymore?

I have some different opinions on sng's than a lot of people. As far as turbo's vs. standard sng's, I think you should play what you enjoy more. Profitability is important, but if you can't maintain the grind then what good is it? Probably the biggest hurdle for a lot of grinders is the boredom.

For me, I prefer to focus on quality play rather than quantity, and I just don't really enjoy the shovefests that much. I'd prefer to play sng's that develop a little slower and give me time to play a "thinking" game. The strategy for me is as appealing as the money, so you have to decide for yourself which format is best. Depending on your strengths, turbo's won't necessarily be more profitable just because you can play more of them in a shorter time.

Also, I know I'll take abuse for this, but in my opinion ICM is a little overrated. You can be a very strong sng player without knowing every single push/fold scenario. You do need to be aware of the implications of ICM , and it obviously doesn't hurt the more you know, but I think a lot of "math" players are misguided.

Letting ICM guide your play still allows for room to maneuver depending on who you're playing against, and the real power of it comes in adapting it to your opponent. That's where the "feel" comes in, because you still have to estimate hand ranges, you still have to understand the type of opponent you're up against as well as his or her motivations, and you have to understand how his or her "mood" at that moment is affecting his or her actions. ICM is extremely helpful, but it's not the be all, end all, that a lot of people seem to think it is. It's not some magic formula that once you understand it, you play optimal in every situation. It's only as strong as you are at applying it.

I believe that a player with great feel and an average understanding of when to push/fold/call can do just as well or better than a player who has every situation memorized but who doesn't have great feel for identifying and adapting to each opponent's tendencies.